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467 days ago

I have been watching the numerous forums on table saws recently. I know this is another thread but I have some questions I have not seen answered. If they have I apoligize. It seems that all the saws in the $400 to $750 range all have some flaw. I would love to get a cabinet saw but 220v is not possible. I live in base housing and there is no way I could get that done. I currently have an entry level Craftsman table saw that has performed well but I am constantly fighting fence alignment issues. I have been looking at the Ridgid R4512 but am growing more concerned over the alignment issues. My question about that is this an issue that one can deal with? I see that people have been returning them left and right. Is it that bad or, no offense, are people being picky? I dont blame anyone for expecting a $500 saw to live up to certain quality standards but they dont make things like they used to. Thanks in advance.

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#1 posted 467 days ago

I’m pretty sure that the vast majority of people that purchased a 4512 have been generally pleased with the performance. Yes, a few lemons have made it past QC. Yes, some people have ridiculously high expectations for a $500 saw. If you’re interested in the 4512, you can always buy it/try it/return it if it won’t work for you.

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#2 posted 467 days ago

I think you’re exactly right….several have potential to be good saws, but none of the full size entry level saws has a stellar track record. There are plenty of positive and negative reports on all of them. Modern designs are significantly better in many ways IMO, but the execution of those designs is not….defects, cheap materials, and apparent lack of field testing seems to be the norm in this price range. I’m often amazed by some of the issues that get discovered by customers that should have been worked on during the early manufacturing runs. A sad reality of letting the bean counters and marketing people dictate quality.

The issues with the R4512 were supposedly dealt with a while back, but they seem to be popping up pretty frequently lately. Not sure if the Cman 21833 and Griz G0715P have continued to have this issue. The fix is to return the defective one and get a good one. Is there any chance that returns are just being resold? I doubt people are being overly picky….maybe some, and many may not know how to setup a saw properly if it’s their first “real” saw, but deviations of more than a few thousandths in the alignment can cause problems with kickback. If they get the alignment right, then the defect causes it to go back out when the blade height is changed, that’s a legitimate concern.

$500 is a lot of money to most of us, but it’s not very much for a new full size cast iron saw with an induction motor, warranty, profit, etc….it’s got to be very difficult to make a saw in this class that works well and sells for $500. Unfortunately, it costs even more to build defects.

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#3 posted 467 days ago

As someone who just returned a 4512 I would say that is could be a very good saw. I would just say to check for the alignment problem before you buy it or shortly after you get it home. The ones without the problem should be a very good saw for that price! The have been several threads here where they describe how to check for the alignment issue. Basically, you want to check for movement at the rear of the blade while it is at 90 degrees while you raise and lower the blade. If you don’t get any movement it should be a keeper and you will have yourself a nice piece of equipment.

-- Brenda T., Bodega Bay, CA.

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#4 posted 467 days ago

Thanks for the replies. I have seen people talk about the blade being out by 1/16 of an inch. I do agree that that is alot. knotscott, what would you say is acceptable?

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#5 posted 467 days ago

Brenda, what did you end up going with or are you still searching?

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#6 posted 467 days ago

Still searching, but leaning towards the Grizzly 0713. If I didn’t have a problem with transportation I might try another 4512. I had a friend with a pickup bring my 4512 home, but I had to return it in my Camry. It fit, but I don’t want to have to repeat the process.

-- Brenda T., Bodega Bay, CA.

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#7 posted 467 days ago

I would say that +/- 0.005” was “acceptable”, though +/- 0.003” is better. 1/16” is huge for a blade alignment deviation….the biggest issues isn’t that the alignment is out, but that it moves from being acceptable to unacceptable when the blade height gets changed. It needs to be a constant within reason.

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donaldpmoran

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#8 posted 467 days ago

That sounds like a tight squeeze! I have looked at that one too but at almost $1000 its a little pricey for a SSgt with a wife and two kids. I also worry about damage when we move in two years so if the Ridgid get dinged up it wont hurt as much.

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#9 posted 467 days ago

I’ve never seen a house that couldn’t have a 220 circuit, is there an issue running the wire or no room in the panel?

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#10 posted 467 days ago

I know it is more, but for me, I found that in the short time I had it I was considering the Delta t2 or Vega fence system along with considering a cast iron wing from somewhere else. I already have the Cast iron bench dog router table for one side. After I took it back, I started doing my research and instead of upgrading items I want to get these things with the new saw. Just my viewpoint. I too have a very tight budget but for me it will be worth it.

-- Brenda T., Bodega Bay, CA.

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#11 posted 467 days ago

Airspeed, the OP lives in base housing. They don’t let you make any modifications.

-- Brenda T., Bodega Bay, CA.

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#12 posted 467 days ago

Yea, I just caught that. What a bummer

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#13 posted 467 days ago

It limits me a little living on base but the wife likes the security.

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#14 posted 467 days ago

Base hosing can be a good value, been there done that. Thanks for serving!

-- Brenda T., Bodega Bay, CA.

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#15 posted 466 days ago

I have a Ridgid 3660, which was pretty much the precursor to the 4512. I’ve had it I guess about 6 years now, and it has served me flawlessly. If you can find one (or a 3650 which is basically the same saw) used, the price should be somewhere south of $350, and I don’t think you’d ever regret it.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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