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Brenda T.

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453 days ago

Since this is my first post here is some background: I am a 20 year Navy vet and I am currently retired. I have done extensive home improvements including a deck and some minor furniture pieces all using basic tools (circular saw, jig saw, miter saw, drills, etc…. I was a Machinist Mate and therefore not unfamiliar with tools.

I want to build a bedroom suite, an entertainment center, picture frames, some boxes I.e. jewelry boxes and keepsake boxes for the grand kids. Maybe a kitchen table.

I have a small cordless circular saw and drill and a Ryobi CMS. I have purchased a Bosch router set, Bench dog router table (which looks good on the 4512), Porter Cable jig saw, a bosch ROS along with an Incra miter gauge, some bits and blades, clamps, so on…

I have a SMALL area for a shop. It is in an attached enclosed porch and measures 9×12 with some storage area in the other half of the porch. There is a single outlet rated for 20amps, but is shared with some other outlets in the house. I also have a 12 gauge ext cord that I can run from elsewhere in the house.

I recently purchased an R4512, but have discovered it has the blade alignment problem. I think I would have loved it if it hadn’t been one of the bad ones. It is going back this weekend. If they have another R4512 in the store and let me check it out and it’s good, I may go that way. Otherwise my choices are: Steel city 35990SS, Grizzly G0732, Makita 2705 the Bosch 4100. I would rather have a full size saw, but need to watch the weight due to the flooring in my space. I am considering the job site saws due the size of the space and I could take them outside to breakdown sheet goods. A smooth accurate cut is the most important, but I also would like it to have standard miter slots and be able to use a dado set.

Sorry for the lengthy entry. I am having a difficult time making this decision! Some opinions would help. Thanks for indulging me and I look forward to gaining a lot of knowledge here!

-- Brenda T., Bodega Bay, CA.


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Monte Pittman

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#1 posted 452 days ago

Hi Brenda, shop space is always a problem. If you’re just doing limited work with it, fit the spot and your budget. It really comes down to buy the biggest and best you can. But like most of us, you’ll start small and trade your way up.

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knotscott

5353 posts in 1959 days


#2 posted 452 days ago

Comparing full size stationary saws with belt drive induction motors to portables with direct drive universal motors is never a fair fight. The mechanical and performance advantage weigh heavily in favor of the bigger saw. If the R4512 would have worked well for you, I would encourage you to at least stick with that class of saw. If a small portable just makes more sense, then so be it, be know that you’re giving up some saw in comparison. Also, cutting sheet goods on a portable is a tall task….better to have the home center rough cut them for you, or do it with a circular saw, then trim to final dimensions on your TS. Some reading to help… Making Sense of Table Saw Classifications

The G0732 is smaller than full size, offers steel wings, and a bit of a lesser fence compared to some in this price range, but it still has some advantages over the portables (more mass, belt drive induction motor, std miter slots). while retaining some portability.

The Porter Cable PCB270TS should at least be on your list if you’re looking at full size saws. The Steel City has a similar reputation to the other entry level full size saws….pretty decent, but isn’t all things to all people. The Cman 21833 is about the same saw as the R4512, but with a slightly bigger motor.

Have you looked for any used saws in your area?

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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kdc68

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#3 posted 452 days ago

Cutting full sheets of plywood are cumbersome with a table saw…Here’s a jig for your circular saw to aid in cutting full sheets to rough size…then you can cut to finish size on your table saw

http://www.popularmechanics.com/home/reviews/4283497

-- Measure "at least" twice and cut once

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redryder

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#4 posted 452 days ago

This also= has been an accurate and useful tool for me to breakdown sheet goods.
Homedepot must sell a boat load of those table saws…................

-- mike...............

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Charlie

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#5 posted 452 days ago

I used an edge guide like the one in the popular mechanics article when I was building my kitchen cabinets. I made a couple of really long saw horses using some of those folding metal brackets you can pick up kinda cheap. I set them up right behind my van in the driveway. Slide a 4×8 sheet out of the van and onto the saw horses. I put 4ft pieces of 2×4 laying ACROSS (from one saw horse to the other) a pair of 8ft long saw horses. I could then break down the 4×8 sheets into sizes that were more manageable (I work alone about 99% of the time). Cut everything just a bit oversized, carried it back to my shop, final cut on table saw, build cabinets, carry it BACK up front to the garage for my wife to do finishing.

My shop doesn’t accommodate passing full sheets through the table saw and without a proper setup and room, I just don’t feel it’s safe for me to handle such big pieces by myself.

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Brenda T.

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#6 posted 452 days ago

Thanks for the ideas! I agree that cutting things down to size with the circular saw is probably best and the edge guides are a great idea! So I do want to get the most saw possible. I think the jobsite saws and the 0732 are out. I wouldn’t really save much space with the 0732 and I want more table space than the jobsite saws offer.

I am thinking maybe the Grizzly 0713. I am worried about the weight, but the floor held the 4512 with my Benchdog router table, so the 713 should be close to the same weight and would mount the Benchdog RT to save some space. I don’t think I want to go heavier. I am really concerned about the flooring.

Anyone have opinions on the G0713? I couldn’t find much info on it other than the website and the manual.

-- Brenda T., Bodega Bay, CA.

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knotscott

5353 posts in 1959 days


#7 posted 452 days ago

The G0713 is essentially the same as the G0661 but with a slightly smaller motor (1.75hp vs 2hp) that’s easier on 120v circuits. The G0661 is a fairly well proven hybrid style saw….solid cast wings, nice fence.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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Splinter12

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#8 posted 452 days ago

I am get my g0661 tomorrow. I am upgrading from a Bosch 4100. I found the Bosch pretty good but want cast iron and the dust collection was horrible plus the riving knife seemed to getting knocked out of wack easily. I always had a pile of dust on the floor even with a shop vac hooked up. I will try and post a review of the g0661. I would consider it my first real saw. The reviews were good for the g0661 vs the 715p. If you can swing it try not skip the portable phase. At the same time want to buy a used Bosch?

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Brenda T.

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#9 posted 452 days ago

Thanks all! . I am just about convinced to go with the 0713.

Splinter, I will look forward to your review of the 0661.

-- Brenda T., Bodega Bay, CA.

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MrRon

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#10 posted 452 days ago

I think I would address the floor problem first. What exactly is your concern with the floor? Rotted wood, not enough underfloor support? It might be something easy to fix.
Oh btw, Welcome to the forum. We love to solve other people’s problems. That’s how we learn.

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patron

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#11 posted 452 days ago

maybe lay some ply down on the floor first
with some screws into the floor joists
to pull it all together
it will distribute the weight better
and keep from localizing on any one or two floor joists
cut it down if needed
or make some tapered 1×2 borders for it
(once you chose a saw)
to keep from tripping and help with sweeping

best of luck with a better saw

and welcome to LJ’s

-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

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Brenda T.

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#12 posted 452 days ago

The floor is framed out with 2×4s placed on 2ft centers with 3/4” ply on top. There are some vertcal braces toward the center. It was rotted and that is how the management fixed it. I offered to upgrade the materials, but it didn’t happen. It also has a small sloop. I rent so I don’t have the final say.

-- Brenda T., Bodega Bay, CA.

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Brenda T.

36 posts in 455 days


#13 posted 452 days ago

Patron, I thought about that, and also maybe just another layer of ply over the whole floor. Good idea!

-- Brenda T., Bodega Bay, CA.

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patron

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#14 posted 452 days ago

if you cover the whole floor
(good idea)
just offset the second layer
so the seams to width and length
don’t land in the same place
(like at 2’ for the width and 4’ for the length)
so it spans even better
and maybe some screws to bond both layers too

you can always take it up later if you move
and have it for some new shop
or shelves there
(even with screw holes it will still be good)

-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

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Splinter12

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#15 posted 452 days ago

Brenda it may take a couple weeks to post a review, but there is already a review of it so where on lumberjocks.

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