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Bullet

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04-09-2013 04:53 PM

Topic tags/keywords: kitchen cabinets veneer question

Hi Everyone!

After getting an almost double what we expected quote for new kitchen cabinets, my wife and I decided to undertake building them ourselves.

I’ve found LJ’s an indispensable forum for tips and techniques, but there are a couple bits of advice I haven’t been able to find.

I plan on building 3/4” ply non face frame carcasses and have full overlay cherry doors and drawers built by Rockler.

Here are my questions:

1- Wise choice to use Rockler for this? Has anyone had experiences with their work?

2- Would you buy cherry ply directly or cover the 3/4 with adhesive backed veneer and edgebanding? Which is more wallet friendly and or time consuming?

Thanks!

-- Anything is possible when you have no idea what you're talking about.


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bbc557ci

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#1 posted 04-09-2013 05:03 PM

I’m facing a similar project, in the next several months. However, I have “built in” cabinets, and plan to, or would like to, make the doors myself.

If it were me, and did not want to tackle making the doors myself, I think I’d try and locate a local craftsman or shop to fabricate/build the doors. That way you and he could coordinate efforts face to face. Seems like things might go smoother that way.

-- Bill, central NY...no where near the "big apple"

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Bullet

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#2 posted 04-09-2013 05:12 PM

BBC,
Great point. If something comes in from Rockler wrong, it’s probably my fault.

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JustJoe

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#3 posted 04-09-2013 05:13 PM

I helped my aunt redo her kitchen cabinets. They started out real ugly and I think we chose the only color of stain that could make them even uglier. We applied the adhesive backed veneer to the backside of the cabinets that formed the bar – it was easy to apply. She kept the original cabinets but we ordered new doors and drawer fronts from a local cabinet company – much cheaper than having all new cabinets made and if you look around your area you might find someone cheaper than Rockler. I then made a new face-frame for the front and stained that and the new drawer fronts and doors and the outsides of the cabinets. You can also get the doors/drawers special ordered from Lowes. Depending on how you plan on finishing the insides, it might not make much sense to start with good cherry ply. For the outsides – once you get done butting them up to each other how many actual outside sides show? In my small kitchen it is one side of two upper cabinets, and one side of one bottom cabinet.

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Bullet

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#4 posted 04-09-2013 05:19 PM

Joe – Its a small kitchen but I’m expanding a little (so is my kitchen). I plan on two banks of uppers one bank of lowers with a peninsula and I will also have a pantry and a stacked washer/dryer cabinet. So that’s a lot of exposed area to veneer.

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#5 posted 04-09-2013 05:37 PM

Yep, that’s a lot of surface area with the entire peninsula back being exposed. Maybe you can save a few dollars by using birch ply for sides that won’t show, but it’s going to cost you either way. How much does the good plywood cost in your area?

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Bullet

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#6 posted 04-09-2013 06:43 PM

Looks like about $100 per sheet for Cherry and just over $60 for birch. So that answers my question. If I buy just enough cherry to cover the exposed edges and use birch for the insides, that’d be the best way – cost and time wise. Especially for the washer dryer cabinet since a whole 36×96 side will be exposed. That’s $160 in veneer by itself. Thanks for helping me think through it.

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#7 posted 04-09-2013 06:54 PM

Bullet,

What do you have for lumber suppliers in your area for sheet goods? If you can buy decent 3/4” B-2 Cherry plywood then I’m not sure you would save a ton of money trying to build your cases out of Birch and veneering any surface that would be exposed.

I see you are from Pennsylvania; another source for doors, drawer fronts and even drawer boxes is Keystone Wood Specialties, they are located in Lancaster, PA. I’ve used them in the past and had good results.

Decor-active Specialties is another good source for doors and drawer fronts.

Good luck

-- John @ http://www.thehuffordfurnituregroup.com

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#8 posted 04-09-2013 07:04 PM

Plywood is beautiful and would make excellent cabinet material but One of my sons has a flat apartment to USA buddies mwe made caBINETS SIMPLY FROM VENEERED COVERED MDF AND i WAS LUCKY TO GET A LARGE PILE OF DOORS excusetyping sorry anyway doors on sale from the scratch and dent depot of ikea all new without marks a full estate car full for £50 so we made everything ourselves (apart from worktops sink/plumbing materials etc for around £200 and it looks great too.Love this website Alistair

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Bullet

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#9 posted 04-09-2013 07:24 PM

Huff – I checked with Dykes Lumber in Easton. They quoted $97.23 per 4×8 sheet of cherry ply. That is pretty much in line with what I’ve seen on line. I’m going to swing by this week to check out their stock. I agree that It wil be better to buy the cherry for exposed sections. I’m leaning away from the veneer.

SCOTSMAN – NO PROBLEM ON THE CAPS LOCK :) My bigest problem with buying premade is that I have weird sizes on some of my doors. I really do love buying scratch and dent, but unfortunately I can’t in this situation.

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#10 posted 04-09-2013 07:55 PM

Bullet, I just redid my kitchen (completely… gut to the studs). If I had it to do over, one of the things I’d consider more thoroughly would be to buy the prefinished cabinet plywood. Finishing the outsides wasn’t bad but finishing the INSIDES was a pain. :)

I built my own doors because the wife wanted a simple shaker style, so they were easy. I built some of them with removable panels so she could change them for holidays or put glass in them or whatever she wants.

I used Blum Tandembox for the drawer system. Cost is about 30% more per drawer, but you cut a bottom and a back and you’re done. The drawer front attached with locking clips. The system has proven to be well worth the small additional cost, looks sharp, works like a dream. If you were going to have someone else build them ANYWAYS…. that alone could save you a fair bundle.

I also built simple boxes for carcasses and put them on adjustable legs. Would definitely do that again. Makes installing and levelling a snap. Also makes box construction much simpler.

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Bullet

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#11 posted 04-09-2013 08:11 PM

You see! I knew I could count on you guys for suggestions!

Charlie – I was wondering about prefinished as well . I had also read where a couple guys finished their own before assembly. That might be an option.

I was thinking a coat or two of amber shellac with a couple of rubbed on poly and some wax. I might skip the shellac and wax on the insides.

I’ve always been afraid of doing doors myself. So much to go wrong. But we also want a simple style – so maybe I can convince SWMBO if I lay out numbers to show the savings (she’s a numbers girl). Plus I might get a few extra clamps or something to help!

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Scott C.

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#12 posted 04-09-2013 09:14 PM

I think most of the guys who pre finish their own ply have spray systems. Not sure how big your kitchen is and thus how many sheets you would need, but hand rubbed poly might prove to be a pretty lengthy process. Might be a good excuse to get a spray system, there seems to be some half way decent ones for less then 150 out there. If it were my kitchen I’d opt for prefinished birch or maple with hardwood cherry edging, hardwood veneer or thin hardwood ply on the end cabinets.

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DrDirt

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#13 posted 04-09-2013 09:30 PM

I would check out CSH (Custom Service Hardware).
I think their selection is better than Rockler, and they have great service.

http://www.cshardware.com/

specificaly:
http://www.cshardware.com/doors-and-drawers

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Charlie

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#14 posted 04-09-2013 10:03 PM

My interiors actually have 2 different finishes. :) I mean each individual cabinet has only one, but some were poly’ed on the inside and some were lacquered. Wife can’t handle the smell of lacquer so she used poly on the base cabinets (which all got drawers anyways and I lacquered the drawers). The upper cabs, I did, and those are lacquered as are the open shelves. I really like the lacquer better. If I do this again, I’d get set up to spray it. Yes… I BRUSHED lacquer. You have to be fast, but the Deft Brushing Lacquer worked for me. Spraying would have been MUCH faster and easier.

Bullet, I needed some tools to do cabinets. Table saw, jointer, planer and we calculated with those tools in the budget as well. We did cabinets, countertops (Corian by the sink and coffee bar and the 8 foot by about 3 and a half foot island is solid walnut counter top we did), a new 36 inch heavy stainless farm sink, all of the drawer and cabinet hardware, flooring, EVERYTHING… cost came to less than what it would have cost us to buy cabinets alone. MUCH less.

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Jerry

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#15 posted 04-10-2013 12:18 AM

We build kitchens quite often. We only do face frame kitchens but have been wanting to get into some frameless kitchen jobs.

One point I might be able to add to your situation would be the finishing aspects. We use pre finished plywood, however you seem to be wanting to use a cherry plywood that would be unfinished. Whenever I build out of unfinished plywood, I always do all of my finishing before the plywood is cut into cabinet parts. I just lay out the 4*8 sheet and I stain and lacquer the entire sheet or sheets for the job. I find applying finish coats when a cabinet is already assembled can be less comfortable and more difficult. I also prefer to spray finish when parts are horizontal. This allows me to apply fairly thick coats and I am able to keep the finish fairly even through out.

I only finish one side of the plywood and keep that side up so I don’t ever scratch the finish. On the exposed ends of cabinets, we would just then simply apply finish to that end after the cabinet is built.

Works really well for us and we always end up with a very even finish that is very durable and heavy.

-- Jerry Nettrour, San Antonio, www.topqualitycabinets.net

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