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Forum topic by JawShoeAh posted 04-09-2013 05:27 AM 917 views 0 times favorited 15 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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JawShoeAh

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04-09-2013 05:27 AM

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New to the forums. I’m Josh. Nice to meet you all. Been researching high and low for information, and finally just need to ask for some advice and help.

I’m the kind of guy who agonizes over any purchase I have to make. Finding out how the product is made, talking to tech support, where it is made, quality control, asking what kind of materials it’s made out of, reading hundreds of online reviews for the real scoop.

So when it came time to start restoring my Crafstman 113 table saw (late 50’s), I ran into a wall with upgrading the fence. What the heck has happened in the past 3 or 4 years? You go online and you read countless posts of people buying Delta T2’s from box top stores for $150 or finding discount Bies’s for 50$. Now you go anywhere, call anywhere, ask anyone—and you get the most glazed looks.

I keep hearing that Delta is going bankrupt, so so don’t buy that. No store anywhere carries T2’s. They’re scarce to find online, or discontinued, or they’re $200+ now. I called Delta, and got little help or information from them.

The only marginally comparable cheap, buy quality, fence I could find was a Shop Fox with 7’ rails. On Amazon for $239+$50 in freight. Which is…expensive again. There’s not really any decent fence that I can find for around $150.

Did I miss the golden age of tools? This is terrible… hahaha.

All I really wanted was a Delta T2-50 (the one with the extended rails for a 50” cut to the right). Out of stock everywhere. I don’t have hundreds of dollars to spend on a Bies or whatever. Delta told me a Bies wouldn’t work anyways as my top is only 1.5” and they were adamant that I needed 1.75”...

All I really need is a decent fence that can give me at least like a 36” cut to the right so I can build some kitchen cabinets. I’m a hobbyist. Don’t need 64th’s of an inch repeatable super solid accuracy. Just want to cut wood, make the saw dust fly, and have fun.

-- .·..-._.·¨ ¤ Joshua


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knotscott

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#1 posted 04-09-2013 09:37 AM

When the gubmint printed trillions of dollars 3 years ago, they essentially devalued it, which makes everything that we buy on the global market seem more expensive. The T2 has been hard to come by, and the price is up, like most other things….it was a great deal at $150, and is still a reasonable deal at $200, but other fences come into play at that price.

Shop Fox Original fence is on sale for $187 or $190 shipped. The Vega fences are nice fences and sometimes go on sale. Other options include a used fence, or possibly buying another similar saw that already has an updated fence. Check CL and Ebay.

Here's one essentially a Vega with a different name printed on it….nice fence, easy to install, priced right.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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bondogaposis

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#2 posted 04-09-2013 12:41 PM

Yeah, it is called “Quantitative Easing”, Delta T2’s are pretty much $200 everywhere now.

-- Bondo Gaposis

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SamuraiSaw

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#3 posted 04-09-2013 02:00 PM

The fence Scott posted would be a perfect upgrade for your saw. If it isn’t really a Vega it’s a darn good copy. I had a Vega on my last contractor saw and loved it. The micro-adjust feature made dialing in cuts a dream.

-- Artisan Woodworks of Texas.... www.awwtx.com

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Craftsman70

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#4 posted 04-09-2013 02:10 PM

That is a Vega rebranded as a Reliant. I had one just like it on 1989 PowerMatic. I spoke to Vega and they did sell them to table saw vendors in the past who put their own names on them. You can still get some parts and support on it from Vega. The best price on a new Vega is through Amazon.

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mikema

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#5 posted 04-09-2013 02:35 PM

I have the T2 fence on my TS, as it is/was a great value, and a very good fence. The supplier that I bought it from, and had it the cheapest has unfortunately discontinued it. Tis has disappointed me as over the last couple years I have recommended it to many who are updating an older TS, as I have done.

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oldretiredjim

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#6 posted 04-09-2013 02:53 PM

I think I paid 165 for my T-2. But I am so happy with it that 200 would not bother me. After all you don’t have a lot in the TS except labor hours so getting a really good TS for 300 – 350 is OK.

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JawShoeAh

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#7 posted 04-09-2013 11:04 PM

Everyone here is really friendly. Some forums I’ve been on have been quite different. Thanks for all the help. I appreciate it.

-- .·..-._.·¨ ¤ Joshua

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JawShoeAh

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#8 posted 04-09-2013 11:05 PM

There was a used Biesemeyer on Craigslist last night for $150. I can’t believe I missed it. Ugh! The ad was up for less than 24 hours.

I’m trying to chase down another guy who is selling a Jet Xacta II 52” fence. Asking $250, if I could get him down, I’d be happy.

Do you guys really like the Vega fences? I’m not to into the idea of having to double clamp it (that’s what you have to do with the micro adjuster, right?)

And can that Reliant just ride the table? I was going to build a big work station/outfeed table and wanted it flush to the rear. As in no rear rail.

-- .·..-._.·¨ ¤ Joshua

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Woodmaster1

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#9 posted 04-09-2013 11:47 PM

I had the vega fence on my craftsman and it worked fine for me. I no longer have the craftsman since I upgraded.

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SamuraiSaw

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#10 posted 04-09-2013 11:56 PM

You don’t have to double lock the Vega. You can move the fence to the desired position and simply lock the large lever. The small lever allows you to lock the fence “close” and then micro-adjust. The large lever is always used to secure the fence.

IIRC, there was no rear rail.

I upgraded to a PM2000, and as much as I love the saw I wish the fence on it was as good as the Vega. I think the fence is great!

-- Artisan Woodworks of Texas.... www.awwtx.com

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Airspeed

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#11 posted 04-10-2013 12:37 AM

If you don’t mind used look on Craigslist, lok for fences and saws, sometimes you can find someone selling a turd saw with a nice fence, sell the saw and keep the fence! Good luck and welcome! You’ll find a lot of nice people here, I’m new and these guys and girls made me feel right at home! I haven’t found too many anal people here, well there was one guy but I made him leave!

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SamuraiSaw

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#12 posted 04-10-2013 12:53 AM

”I haven’t found too many anal people here, well there was one guy but I made him leave!”

ROFL….................

and hopin’ it ain’t me!

-- Artisan Woodworks of Texas.... www.awwtx.com

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Airspeed

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#13 posted 04-10-2013 12:58 AM

No samurai, it was another guy who got mad because I didn’t address him by name when I thanked him for posting a photo! Apparently there was a bounty on his head before I got here, unfortunately I had no clue being the new guy so they set me up! Just so they wouldnt have to pay the $10 reward! Cheapskates!

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JawShoeAh

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#14 posted 04-10-2013 01:18 AM

Hahahahaha

So that’s pretty much what I did. Got off the phone just now with the guy from Craigslist. Seems legit and honest. As long as the item is as described, I’ll be buying it for $200. Front rail, fence, rear rail, and extension table.

If anyone would like the rear rail and extension table, I doubt I’m going to want it. We’ll see Saturday.

-- .·..-._.·¨ ¤ Joshua

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hotbyte

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#15 posted 04-10-2013 01:40 AM

I recently got the Delta T2-30 from toolbarn.com for about $180 shipped. It took about 2 weeks before order was filled and shipped after I placed order. I paid through paypal and the transaction sat on paypal as “pending” until the fence shipped. I haven’t checked toolbarn.com for them in last few weeks so I’m not sure of their status now. I’ve been very pleased with mine.

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