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Charlie

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04-04-2013 05:05 PM

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New to specialty planes so…. question…
Will a shoulder plane work (for example) to tweak a tenon AND the shoulder?

Will a Stanley 78 be a good first shoulder plane? I realize it appears to be primarily a rabbet plane, but would it be a good shoulder plane ?

If not, can you point me in a better direction?

thanks,
Charlie


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Loren

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#1 posted 04-04-2013 05:11 PM

The best shoulder plane for general truing of shoulders
for furniture making is the big 4 lb. style sold as
a “large shoulder plane” by Lie Nielsen and Lee
Valley. A rabbet plane doesn’t come close in
performance terms when working on shoulders.

Some people prefer smaller ones. It’s the mass of
the big ones that makes them so effective though.

Buy the right tool and cry once. You can resell
a L-N or Veritas plane for 90% of what you paid.

Tenon cheeks can be worked with a wide chisel
or a nice rasp or iwasaki file. Easier to do it this
way than with a plane in my opinion, plus the
chisel or file has other uses.

-- http://lawoodworking.com

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paratrooper34

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#2 posted 04-04-2013 05:13 PM

Charlie, I do not own a shoulder plane. I don’t need one. I tweak tenons with either a LN rabbet block plane or a router plane. The only thing I do to shoulders is undercut them with a chisel to help the shoulder sit flush on the joint. I have never had to plane down a shoulder. If you cut everything correctly, you won’t need to.

Would a #78 make a good substitute? I don’t think so. I have one and never reached for it to perform that task. It might work, but I have other tools to use for trimming tenons instead of the #78.

-- Mike

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chrisstef

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#3 posted 04-04-2013 05:13 PM

Charlie a #92 would do a bit better of a job on tenon’s IMO. Its not to say that you couldnt use a 78 but its a bit big and kinda clunky for that kind of operation and wouldnt work really well on the shoulders.

-- "there aren’t many hand tools as awe-inspiring as the #8 jointer. I mean, it just reeks of cast iron heft and hubris" - Smitty

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Charlie

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#4 posted 04-04-2013 05:18 PM

OK. thanks, guys. Up to now I’ve trimmed tenons for fit just using my chisels or my carving chisels. Don’t laugh, it’s been working. It’s just really really tedious and easy to mess up. Fortunately my chisels are so sharp they’ll cut you on Monday and you won’t know you’re bleeding until about Thursday. :)

I’ll keep looking. No rush. And I’ll have a look at buying new. The more stuff my wife sees coming OUT of the shop, the more willing she is to let me put stuff INTO it. :)

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crank49

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#5 posted 04-04-2013 06:42 PM

I do mine with my TS and chisels to rough them out, then finish up with a #92.
Don’t own a rabbit block yet, but it’s next on my list; right after I get my farm and home sold, and move to town, and build my new shop.

-- Michael :-{| “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” ― A H

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sikrap

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#6 posted 04-04-2013 07:53 PM

The 78 is a rabbet plane and won’t work very well for trimming tenons. If you have a rabbeting block plane, that would work okay, but a shoulder plane (Stanley 92/93/94) or the LV or LN would peform MUCH better. The biggest advantage a shoulder plane will give you is that the sides are machined to be EXACTLY 90 degrees to the sole. A router plane will work well for trimming the cheeks, but not so well on the shoulders.

-- Dave, Colonie, NY

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404 - Not Found

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#7 posted 04-04-2013 09:07 PM

I have a Stanley #92 ebay special and love it. Looking out for a #93 to keep it company. The 92 does shoulders and cheeks very well.

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AandCstyle

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#8 posted 04-05-2013 12:11 AM

I am not really a hand tool guy, but I bought and love the Veritas medium shoulder plane. It came ready to use out of the box and it holds the edge great. I would buy another one in a heartbeat if something happened to this one.

-- Art

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Don W

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#9 posted 04-05-2013 12:39 AM

a #78 isn’t even a good rabbit plane. Go for the shoulder.

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.com

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