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Elizabeth

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392 days ago

I’m planning on adding a larger bandsaw to my shop in the medium term. I’d like to do it now but I had told myself I would wait another year or two for various family reasons. Either way, I will be using savings to buy it, and I am unlikely to gain any more savings between now and then. I’ve got several Grizzly tools and figured I would get a Griz 17” when the time came, maybe on a winter 2014 sale.

But. Today a Woodcraft flyer came, advertising a Rikon 18” 2.5 HP bandsaw for $1050 instead of the usual $1500, and that got me thinking. I don’t have any Rikon tools because the price is so much higher than Grizzly stuff. But this sale makes it comparable. Even assuming that a) the Grizzly saw goes on sale at 10% from its current price and b) there are no Rikons in stock in my local Woodcraft and I have to pay shipping, the price difference is negligible: $1,120 for the griz and $1,175 for the Rikon. The two saws are…similar… but not exactly the same – the Rikon has an extra half HP and a longer blade, has almost two more inches horizontal cutting capacity, slightly different table and footprint sizes…

Can anyone help me decide which would be a better saw to get? Are there any serious differences I have overlooked? The purpose of the larger saw would be resawing both boards and wet/dry logs (max length 21”) using my Carter log mill. With two saws I could then keep my current 14” Grizz set up for tight curves and bandsaw boxes. I’d have them both next to each other in my shop and would have to unplug one when I wanted to use the other, since I’m out of 220V outlets, but that’s not a big deal. They’d share a dust collection line too but obviously would never both be on at once.


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toolie

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#1 posted 392 days ago

either choice will serve you well. i have a rikon 10-340 w/ 2 hp motor. it’s a formidable machine. the 345 outweighs the 513 by ~ 70 lbs. that would kind of support my feeling that my rikon is a more “substantial” machine than the 18” jet it replaced. i get the feeling that if you had them side by side, the rikon would feel like a beefier machine. and it also has a 5 year guaranty vs. the 513’s 1 year. IMHO, that’s worth a lot.

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nwbusa

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#2 posted 392 days ago

Depending on which specific Grizzly 17” model you choose, it can be had with a foot brake which is not an option on the Rikon. I’m kind of in the same boat, but I’ve shifted my decision to either the 17” or 19” Grizzly. I can get the Rikon locally, but I decided the brake is a feature I want. Good luck with your decision!

-- John, BC, Canada

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Elizabeth

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#3 posted 392 days ago

Good point on the warranty.

I noticed that the Rikon comes with a hoist ring. Does anyone know if it CAN be assembled by two adults hauling the pieces into position, or would it be too heavy for that? I haven’t got a hoist.

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Elizabeth

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#4 posted 392 days ago

John I don’t know much about the models with foot brakes…why did you decide to go for that? It slows the blade down when you’re done I gather…how much longer would it take to stop without it, and does braking (or not!) cause any wear to the blade or other parts?

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#5 posted 392 days ago

I have the Griz 17” with cast iron wheels…Works good…

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Elizabeth

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#6 posted 392 days ago

Secondary question – if I got the Rikon, what mobile base would be recommended? I see Grizz sells a heavy duty base for $70, advertised on the same page as the bandsaw. Woodcraft have a variety ranging from $63 to $124… Or is it better to just get it into the right place the first time and not have a mobile base? If I did ever move it it’d be a matter of inches, most likely.

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nwbusa

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#7 posted 392 days ago

Bandsaws with an electronic brake stop the saw after shutdown in about 3 seconds. Without a brake, those big cast iron wheels can keep spinning for quite some time. Possibly not a big deal depending on your shop and the type of cuts you make. I think it will be useful for me during operations where I need to back out of the cuts several times (relief cuts, etc.)

-- John, BC, Canada

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#8 posted 392 days ago

Good morning,

I’ve had the Rikon for about 2 months. I did put it together with my neighbour, without a hoist.

I put the base together and was able to stand the box up with the saw assembly still in it.
My neighbour and I then leaned it back using a fulcrum (I think it was my durabench) to get the saw assembly up onto the base.
Anyhow, neither she nor I are body builders or anything, but we managed. I didn’t want to wait all day for my husband to get home. The limitations were exactly what I had read – instruction book isn’t particularly well written, and the guides are ‘fiddly’.

I’ve been more than thrilled with my Rikon. It’s done everything I’ve wanted it to do. I’ve resawn, changed the blades, done some curves. Mostly though, I love that it’s ready to go in my garage. I don’t have to set anything up, it’s quieter than my TS and I’m more comfortable with it.

I also decided on the Rikon when I was able to get it for free shipping. Grizzly was barely an option for me though because of the shipping fees to Canada.

I bought a shopfox mobile base and I’m glad I did. I don’t have to move the saw every time I use it, but having the mobile base means I’ve been able to move it when I needed to get behind it to clean. Also, once it’s together, I wouldn’t even think about moving it without 3 or 4 people.

I had buyers remorse as soon as I ordered it, but it faded after the first cut.

If you do get the Rikon, feel free to ask if I can be of any help.

Good luck

Sandra

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flskipper

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#9 posted 392 days ago

Elizabeth:

If you haven’t already done so, you might want to check with your local Woodcraft store. Any time I have ordered items from them and they do not have them in stock, they have them shipped (free of charge) to their store. Of course, I have to pick up the item at the local store when it arrives.

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toolie

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#10 posted 391 days ago

what mobile base would be recommended?

this one, also sold by woodcraft.

http://www.grizzly.com/catalog/2013/Main/294

the woodcraft unit has been going on sale for $50 a few times a year. it can accept a double layer of 3/4” plywood, which would make it very sturdy. the rockler alternative, which accepts 2×2 hardwood lengths cut to fit can flex and add to instability. the seller of my 10-340 had it on these in his basement shop:

http://www.homedepot.com/p/4-in-Round-Magic-Sliders-4-Pack-04100/100391627#.UVL2NxdgSSo

they worked ok, but i didn’t like the idea of dragging the tool anywhere. i have my saw on an crummy htc base (left over from the purchase of an extremely disappointing 18” jet BS). when i start using the BS more, i’ll go with the grizzly type base. if you can not move it at all, that would be the best alternative. lou iturra has mentioned that bolting it to the floor will help reduce vibration, contributing to improved performance.

as far as handling the saw, it’s heavy, but not unmanageable with an appliance hand cart. i noticed sandra described assembling a stand and getting the saw onto it ( I put the base together and was able to stand the box up with the saw assembly still in it.). the 10-345 comes as a single piece unit with no separate stand. the only piece of any substance that isn’t part of it as shipped is the table. i moved my 10-340 (previous generation to the 345) alone from one of my trucks into the shop (but i’m > 6’3”). i removed the wheels and table to reduce the weight.

the 10-345 has a little more power than my saw, and i believe rikon also offers a reasonably priced upgrade to a 3hp baldor motor, if needed.

-- there's a solution to every problem.......you just have to be willing to find it.

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ClayandNancy

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#11 posted 391 days ago

I picked up an 18” Rikon at a garage sale, 2 years old but only used a couple of times. I tried resawing a piece of 3/4×6” red oak. Cut it dead on like butter. I plan on doing some resawing of logs I have on my land this summer but so far I love this thing.

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Elizabeth

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#12 posted 390 days ago

Man, you guys are talking me into pulling the trigger during this sale. Thanks. I’ll speak with Woodcraft this weekend and see what they say…

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nwbusa

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#13 posted 390 days ago

I almost bought the Rikon 345 today, but I ended up with a Laguna LT14-SUV instead. I was too impatient to order from Grizzly… hey, it’s a 3 day weekend up here, I needed something to play with! :) But if you can get the Rikon at Woodcraft’s insanely low sale price, that would be a sweet deal.

-- John, BC, Canada

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Elizabeth

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#14 posted 388 days ago

Thanks for all the input guys. I sealed the deal on a Rikon 18” at Woodcraft today. The owner’s dad is running a local delivery service for $50 so I opted to do that rather than try to wrestle the thing home in our van. Even with the delivery service, it came in at $1,100 which is the same as the Grizzly 17” regular price ($1,095) before you add their $134 shipping charge. Even their 10% coupon wouldn’t have made it the same price as the Rikon.

Now to order myself a couple of Woodslicer blades!

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JustJoe

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#15 posted 388 days ago

All the grizzly coupons I have gotten exclude machinery – I wish they’d send me one I could use on big tools. I’ve got an 18” Rikon and use it almost exclusively for resawing – you’re going to love that saw. The woodslicers are great blades but if you can pop a couple hundred more for a carbide tipped blade you will never have to buy another resaw blade in your lifetime.
Congrats on the new band saw.

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