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Forum topic by pendledad posted 03-15-2013 08:22 PM 1216 views 0 times favorited 11 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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pendledad

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03-15-2013 08:22 PM

1.) HF 2HP (~$160 w/tax) + Wynn Filter (~$160) + Super Dust Deputy ($200) + Barrel ($80) + TIME (1hr) = ~$700
2.) Grizzly G0548ZP + Super Dust Deputy ($200) + Barrel ($80) = ~$900 $850 after coupon
3.) Grizzly G0703 = $874 shipped
$800 after coupon
4.) Oneida Mini Gorilla + Rolling Stand + Drum = $1,120 shipped

Go Oneida for a high quality USA built to order machine? Go for the Grizzly all-in-one cyclone and use the coupon? Hf but a bit more tweaking?


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Mainiac Matt

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#1 posted 03-15-2013 08:32 PM

I have the G0548Z and like it a lot. I use it without a pre-separator and it meets my needs. I run three 4” flex lines with the longest one being ~ 10’. It moves some serious air, and when used in tandem with a Jet air filter on the ceiling, it serves my 22’ x 24’ shop very well.

I personally would not get a machine less than 2 HP… and to get a ‘true’ 2 HP you need a 220 volt motor.

I hear you about not wanting to spend tons of time working on the tools and the value of your time.

I enjoy working on my tools as much as I enjoy working with them, but have to be careful about taking on to many projects and project creep. That’s primarily why I didn’t go the HF route.

-- Pine is fine, but Oak's no joke!

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Dallas

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#2 posted 03-15-2013 09:42 PM

Except…... How do you figure your time is worth $100/hr? Are you a master craftsman that knows every nook and cranny and twist and turn of every tool you’ll be using?
In your profile you say you are a grad student in computer science and work as a quantitative developer. Both of those jobs require a lot of education and experience. You may be worth $100/hr. in those jobs, I don’t know.

You also state that you are new to the hobby of wood working. Let me ask you this: would YOU pay you $100/hr to work in your shop? To add an extra room from footer to roof peak, to figure roof pitch and cut an accurate birdmouth? To build a set of cabinets that were heirloom quality?
If the answer is yes, congratulations, otherwise, you are just learning and those who are starting out normally receive low wages for menial learning jobs like setting up equipment. However, it is all a part of learning how your equipment works and how to make it work correctly and most efficiently.
Every craftsman, whether master, a journeyman or an apprentice or even the hired labor has to learn about every piece of equipment they use and how to make them work. It seems to me that all you are looking at is that you want something and don’t care how much you spend on it… you just want it NOW. (I’ll tell you a little secret, you won’t get far in working with wood that way. Wood working has to do as much with finesse and knowledge of what is going to happen when as it does with what and how much you spend on tools).

Good luck, My advise to you is to decide between two items you want and flip a coin. If it comes down heads and you feel like you really wanted tails….. go get tails. Nobody can decide for you what tools are best for you, no one can tell how long it will take for you to learn, but they will all tell you to take your time and build stuff to gain abilities and don’t fret over stuff that you won’t be able to get 50% of the value out of if you find you don’t like the hobby anyway.

I apologize if this sounds harsh, it just strikes me from your posts that you have the idea that you will be whipping out Hepplewhite quality furniture in less than a month…. it ain’t gonna happen.

-- Improvise.... Adapt...... Overcome!

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kdc68

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#3 posted 03-15-2013 09:59 PM

pendledad…I have the new issue of Wood Mag in my hands here…In it, starting on page 58, are reviews of several models (none of which you posted). The two “Top Tool Aproved” are Oneida and Powermatic models…

-- Measure "at least" twice and cut once

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pendledad

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#4 posted 03-15-2013 10:13 PM

Thanks for the comments. I will probably go grab a copy of that issue of Wood to read the reviews.

Sorry my initial post was not clear … I do not mean to sound ignorant. My thoughts have been all over the place these last few days with some serious family health issues.

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Bill White

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#5 posted 03-15-2013 10:35 PM

HF collector in a deal with a table saw, maybe $75.00. Good bags (1 micron +-) from Highland $150.00.
Done, ‘cause all the needed 4”flex came with the DC. Clamps as well.
Not a slam by any means, but this setup works too.
Bill

-- bill@magraphics.us

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DocSavage45

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#6 posted 03-15-2013 11:37 PM

You can also check out Marc the Woodwhisperer. He has a you tube video re: dust collection devices fom a practical testing. Might help.

I understand your personal time is valuable to you. I had a person ask me to refurbish a family heirloom which was in terrible shape.

I asked her what she wanted to pay for the job. Also if she wanted an upgrade or antique restoration.

How much per hour would you pay to strip and sand a piece of furniture? I said she would save a lot of money doing that herself.

When I do that I’m worth what it would cost to do it. Minimum wage. In my clinical profession I make a different wage :)

-- Cau Haus Designs, Thomas J. Tieffenbacher

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Shelbdog

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#7 posted 03-19-2013 05:46 PM

Pendledad,

I believe the guy above was a little harsh. I have a feeling you are similar to me when it comes to tools. You are just curious on peoples opinions because there so many tools to choose from, reviews to read, blogs to look at and all the information can be overwhelming. Plus there is only so much money a person has, specially when they are fairly new to the hobby. Woodworking is an extremely expensive hobby and if you are like me you would probably rather spend good money on a tool and only purchase it once. The problem I run into with tools since I’m fairly new to this hobby is all the tools I need to build certain projects. Example: I could use a bandsaw and spindle sander, but I really need to purchase a new table saw. I could go with cheaper table saw and to afford the bandsaw and spindle sander at the same time or I can spend good money on a quality tablesaw that will last the rest of life and not out grow my capabilities someday. I don’t feel like throwing away my time and money on tools I will out grow in a few years.

I’m hoping I’m not the only one that feels like this!

-- Shelby Strempke - IOWA...GO HAWKS

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pendledad

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#8 posted 03-19-2013 05:50 PM

I hear you Shelby, I am in the same boat. The previous comments pertained to a piece of my original post which I removed because it was honestly off-topic.

FYI, Grizzly has the G0690 TS on sale for $1,250 right now. $75 off, not an awesome deal, but it helps.

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RetiredCoastie

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#9 posted 03-19-2013 06:05 PM

Harsh? I don’t believe he was being harsh, just honest!

My advise is to go with the system that affords the best performance Vs what you can afford. What value do you place on your lungs and not just now but 20 or 30 years from now. Many people talk about what is the best tool to buy and many say the table-saw or the band saw etc etc..The best tool to buy or build is an efficient dust collector system & air filter. Do your research and don’t listen to others that have bad habits, by that I mean someone that has a $2000.00 cabinet saw yet they use a shop vac for a dust collector.

-- www.thepatriotwoodworker.com Proud Supporter of Homes For Our Troops

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HorizontalMike

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#10 posted 03-19-2013 06:14 PM

I’m sorry @pendledad, but it sure ‘sounds’ like, from your OP, that you are/were trying to ”price” the Harbor Freight DC setup to consciously make it look economically non-competitive.

IMO, there really is no reason for putting that $200 ‘Super Dust Deputy’ on top of an $80 barrel, when you can buy a $30 30-gal metal can and build your won Thein ‘Lid-type’ baffle with the FREE scrap wood you already have on hand.

And as others have already addressed, your “Time” does NOT really count when you are setting up YOUR OWN shop. I noticed that you failed to include any “TIME” charge on setting up neither of the two Grizzly DCs, nor for setting up the Oneida DC.

FWIW, I have a total of ~$350 invested in my DC, hoses, Wynn filter, 30gal metal can, and the DIY Thein baffle. I bought mine almost 3yr ago when the investment was maybe $30 cheaper, but even if I splurged at the time, it would have still been under $400 total cost. And $400 is a FAR cry from the $700 you quoted and less than HALF any of the other options. Just my 2-cents…

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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Marcus

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#11 posted 03-19-2013 10:43 PM

I have the Oneida mini gorilla that I got used for next to nothing. I dont think it’s performance justifies the MSRP personally and would not buy one new. Don’t get me wrong, it works great, but just not $1k+ great. The cyclone just isnt big enough (I think that’s the problem anyways), so the filter catches a good deal of dust that doesnt dump out so had to be cleaned regularly. the 5” tube is a bit of a hassle unless you’re just using it for one machine too.

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