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lumberjoe

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504 days ago

I’ve finally realized the limitations of my R4512. I want to sell it while the used market is still good. I can easily sell it in my area with the ZCI’s and sleds I have for about 450. Unfortunately after being ripped off to the tune of about $40,000 in the past 18 months by my mother-in-law, our savings took a massive hit. There is still a little room in the budget for a saw upgrade, but I have a HARD limit of ~ 1400.00 out the door (including shipping and a mobile base) I have to buy a house in the next 3 months. It will have a garage, not sure if I will have 220v. I don’t have it now and will not be adding it, however I realize it would be stupid to overlook some 3hp saws. My requirements are pretty simple

1.75 hp is fine. I’ve never wished my R4512 had more HP, and I commonly work with 8/4 stock. I understand I am working it pretty hard though, so longevity can be an issue
A SINGLE piece fence rail. I was looking at the Laguna Fusion, but had to cross it off the list due to the split fence
30” Rip. I have a feeling I am going to have limited space so a 52 is not a good idea.
Riving Knife
Nothing used
Cabinet mounted trunions! I am never dealing with table mounted trunions again

Saws I am looking at

JET JPS 10TS (I can get this brand new for 1,100 out the door)

Grizzly G0715P

Grizzly G1023RL (This could be sitting in a box for a few months if the house we buy as a detached garage and no 220v available)

What am I missing?

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JesseTutt

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#1 posted 504 days ago

Your limitations sort of eliminate many possible contenders. From your list I would choose the G1023RL. I don’t recall if this is a right tilt or left. I would definitely go with the left tilt. (I have a right tilt and although I can make it do everything I want it still is a pain sometimes.).

You will want 220V in your shop. If you don’t need to upgrade immidently I would hold out till you got the new shop. No need to have a saw in the crate for a period of time since the warranty will start when you buy it not when you start using it.

-- Jesse, Saint Louis, Missouri

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Rex B

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#2 posted 504 days ago

I have a G0715P and I love it. However, I’m not sure if it would overcome many of the limitations your R4512 has. It does have a better fence and cabinet, but aren’t the guts of the saw supposedly very similar? Also, the G0715P does have table mounted trunnions, and you said that is a deal-breaker.

If it was me, I would go G0715P (obviously), but with your list of requirements I would go G1023RL.

-- Rex

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lumberjoe

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#3 posted 504 days ago

My new shop will have 220. The only mitigating factor will be hooking it up. If it involves excavating a driveway or really long cable pulls, that will have to wait a few months for our savings to recover. The fence is a very large consideration.

Does the G0715P have table or cabinet mounted trunions?

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JayT

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#4 posted 504 days ago

The 1023 would be a good choice and $1100 is a good price on a new Jet. You could also take a look at a couple from Steel City if you have a dealer in the area.

35950 is a 1.75HP hybrid—$999 with built in mobile base

35965 is their 3HP cabinet saw—$1299 + moble base.

Single piece rails, good fence and available with either cast iron or granite tops.

G0715 has table mounted trunnions.
Edit: I’m thinking one of Grizzly’s contractor models has cabinet mounted trunnions, but I don’t know about the fence rails.

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Handtooler

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#5 posted 504 days ago

Grizzly will probably deal with you tp put a G0690 or 691 or a i023 in your shop lift gate fee paid for under $1300.00 any are great saws but use 220v. Give ‘em a call if you live close enough to pick one at their dock I.m sure they’ll talk.

-- Russell Pitner Hixson, TN 37343 bassboy40@msn.com

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knotscott

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#6 posted 504 days ago

If you’re going to make a change, make it more than incremental steps. The Jet is a nice hybrid style contractor saw, but I’m not seeing $700 worth of benefit over what you’ve got now. You’ll essentially be gaining solid cast iron wings and a better fence….for ~ $170 you can add a Delta T2 that’s pretty similar to the Jet. Motor power, duty rating, trunnion adjustments, and even mass are pretty similar. For an additional $300, the jump to a G1023RL takes you to another class of saw that goes way beyond motor power.

How different do the guts of the 708492K look from your R4512?

Jet:

Cman 21833:

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b2rtch

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#7 posted 504 days ago

Consider buying a used Unisaw or Powermatic ,you can get for around $500.00.

-- Bert

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lumberjoe

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#8 posted 504 days ago

Yikes. 1023RL is looking like the winner

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knotscott

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#9 posted 503 days ago

”Yikes. 1023RL is looking like the winner”

I’m sure you’ve seen these:


Any of the industrial cabinet saws (new or used) are much more substantial saws than a contractor saw or hybrid.

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MT_Stringer

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#10 posted 503 days ago

If you buy new, you might want to wait so it can be delivered to it’s new home. My 1023RLW had a shipping weight of 552#. Thankfully, the driver put it in my garage (with our help pushing the box on the pallet jack).

By the way I am loving mine. Good luck.

Note: My garage has 220V for an electric dryer which we haven’t used in 26 years. I now have it connected to the table saw.

Mike

-- Handcrafted by Mike Henderson - Channelview, Texas

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lumberjoe

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#11 posted 503 days ago

The houses in mind all have detached garages. I know for a fact one does not have 220, I haven’t seen the others. If I set up a basement shop, 220 is all set (or super easy since the panel is right there), but the last thing I want to do is lug 500+ lb machinery and sheet goods into a basement when I have a garage. If I do go with a 220v saw it will be after I move.

It seems like anything 120v is only a tiny incremental step above what I have now.

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lumberjoe

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#12 posted 503 days ago

Mike – I saw you have the mobile base on yours. what is the height from the floor to the table? another big problem I have with the R4512 is it is just too tall for me. I am reaching way to far at the end of the cut. It is about 35 to 36” tall.

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nwbusa

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#13 posted 503 days ago

Joe, I agree with Scott and others that if you’re going to upgrade the saw, try and get yourself a 3 hp cabinet saw. The 1023 is a nice saw, as is the 690. The 1023 has the built in router table, the 690 has a Leeson motor. Both pretty nice tools any way you slice it.

Edit: The 690 comes in at 35 1/4” tall on the mobile base. 34” without.

-- John, BC, Canada

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knotscott

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#14 posted 503 days ago

I’d just build a platform in front of the saw if they’re too high.

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MT_Stringer

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#15 posted 503 days ago

@Joe – I just measured my saw table height – 34 1/2 inches with it sitting on the mobile base.

The base makes it easy to move that heavy sucker around.

-- Handcrafted by Mike Henderson - Channelview, Texas

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