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Forum topic by RussellAP posted 03-13-2013 01:54 PM 2324 views 1 time favorited 15 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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RussellAP

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03-13-2013 01:54 PM

I must be one of the lucky ones. My TS fence is pretty much perfection. However I’ve heard from some of you that you’ve had trouble with yours.

I wonder if you could tell me about it and post any pics you have of the problem. I want to make sure I don’t mess mine up. It’s rare to have a fence you like on a TS.

-- A positive attitude will take you much further than positive thinking ever will.


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#1 posted 03-13-2013 02:25 PM

RussellAP – how long have you had you R4512? Any regrets so far. I’m thinking of picking one up soon and am looking for any feed back I can find. Glad to hear your fence looks good. From what I’ve read, the biggest beef is because the rail is a split rail along the front and sometimes they are not completely level along the entire length. If it bows in the middle, that tips the fence at a slight angle.

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RussellAP

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#2 posted 03-13-2013 02:37 PM

The only thing I don’t like is the DC port. It’s a large size and the wheel mechanism is right in the way. I gave up on my HF DC and bought a ridgid ShopVac and taped it on. It still needs to be cleaned out a lot though. If you get one and don’t have any DC leave the bottom piece of plastic off and just let the dust fall out. I think it would be cleaner than using the DC port.

-- A positive attitude will take you much further than positive thinking ever will.

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kreitzm

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#3 posted 03-13-2013 03:34 PM

Russell AP, I had the same problem with the port on the R4512. I went to sears looking for a solution and found a metal elbow for a dryer vent and it fit on it perfectly and cleared the wheel mechanism so that I could hook up my dust collection without a problem.

I haven’t had mine for a long time but I too have had no real issue with the fence and enjoy the saw.

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me5269

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#4 posted 03-13-2013 05:48 PM

Russell,
For the dust collector hookup, I picked up a Rigid Flex Hose 4” x 36” p/n 149581 and 4” x 2 1/4” funnel reducer p/n 147759 at Woodcraft. I picked up the wrong reducer and the 2 1/4” end of the adapter was the same size as my Ridgid shop vac hose. I picked up a rubber 2” to 2” plastic pipe coupling and a couple clamps and it worked ok. I got the funnel style reducer after reading reviews that the shorter reducer (p/n 144534) would clog up. I haven’t had any problems with anything getting stuck in the bends of the flex hose or the funnel yet.

The only thing I had to adjust was the riving knife. Miter to blade was <.002”. Fence was negligable. I did move and remeasure the fence half a dozen times and it would vary between .002” to .003” front to back.
Raising the blade, it stayed square until the last 1/4” at full height then it would “cock” off to the right maybe 1/64” (didn’t measure it). Back off 1/4 turn on handle and it came back in line.
Had to reset the stops on the miter gauge. Didn’t like it much so picked up an Incra 1000HD when it was on sale at Rockler.
I’ve had it over 8 months and am very happy with it.

-- Mike

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#5 posted 03-13-2013 06:58 PM

me5269,

Your experience sounds basically like mine, very little in the way of having to make adjustments. I have read a few posts about the blade going out a little when all the way up but luckily mine doesn’t seem to be doing that. I too use a Ridgid shop vac, a 16 gal, 6.5 hp one, and it does a good job of taking the dust and chips out. I got that elbow I used from sears for a couple bucks. Now that I think about it, it actually looks like a heater duct elbow because it has pivot points so that can be adjusted to slightly different angles other than 90 degrees. I had already had some metal tape so I just taped all the seams once I got it at the angle I wanted, clamped it to the saw port, and it has no leaks. I picked up a 4” to 2 1/2” reducer at Hartville Hardware, put it on the end and it all works good. I haven’t had any clogging yet and I even had a several inch long thin slice of wood that fell in through the factory insert opening (before I got the ZCI) and I took the back off and searched all over inside the saw and could not find it, didn’t see it in the elbow either, so I thought I just imagined it falling in. Then I saw it caught in my dust deputy because it wouldn’t fall down through the cyclone into the bucket. I was surprised it did not get caught in the elbow, but it let me know that it is working good to get the dust/chips out.

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nwbusa

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#6 posted 03-13-2013 08:50 PM

The problem with the R4512 fence is not the fence itself (that part it actually pretty nice, lots of t-slots to attach jigs, etc.) but rather with the split rails. Ridgid chose to split the front and rear rails to facilitate packaging / shipping, and the result is that the rails can be very difficult, if not impossible, to keep true along their length. This is what ultimately led me to sell my R4512, which was a shame because otherwise the saw is a very capable machine with lots of good features. Of course one could always upgrade the fence to resolve the problem. I wanted a 3hp saw so I chose to just sell mine.

-- John, BC, Canada

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lumberjoe

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#7 posted 03-13-2013 10:28 PM

Russell, here you go:
Here is the issue that will develop over time. Sorry for my crappy pics – bright green for good effect

Away from the seam – nice and flat, square fence (this is about a 6” rip)

This is a 2 1/2” rip. See how much higher the fence is compared to the table? On the other side of the fence it is level with the table.

Not only is the fence significantly (about 3/16”) higher than the table, but the geometry of the fence changed. The other side of the fence is level with the table (as stated above). This took about 5 months to develop with my saw. Because the fence is now angled downward, it’s closer to the blade in the front than it is in the back.

I fixed this once by taking both the rails and wings off, and remounting them. It’s about time to do it again, but the saw is going on craigslist while it is still worth something. I’m in the same boat with John above. I won’t be getting a 3hp saw yet because i have to purchase a home in really short order, but looking hard at the Laguna Fuzion.

-- https://pinepointwoodworks.wordpress.com/

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#8 posted 03-13-2013 10:39 PM

RussellAP....Sorry I don’t own the Ridgid, so my only input is I’ve read a lot of complaints about the fence (LJ’s and other places) as Lumberjoe indicates, so it appears to be a common problem. That’s one of the reasons why I didn’t buy the Ridgid. The T2 fence is suppose to be a good aftermarket fence…cheap too. I posted a link below…. Lumberjoe does your speed square glow in the dark ?

http://www.amazon.com/DELTA-36-T30-30-Inch-Fence-System/dp/B000H0R1S2

-- Measure "at least" twice and cut once

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lumberjoe

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#9 posted 03-13-2013 10:46 PM

I wish! That would be awesome. I use it as an edge guide when rough cutting long boards with a circular saw. It’s the only speed square I have yet to lose.

The T2 is awesome if you like drilling cast iron. It’s not a direct bolt on. You can drill the fence itself or make brackets, but it’s a lot more work to get it straight if you go that route. The only true bolt on is the LS-TS. I heavily considered that many times (and even ordered/cancelled it once), but R4512’s still go for 425 easy on craigslist around here. I figure with my ZCI’s, sleds, and a decent diablo combo blade I don’t use, I could get 500 in a couple days. That’s just about half way to this bad boy

-- https://pinepointwoodworks.wordpress.com/

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kdc68

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#10 posted 03-13-2013 10:53 PM

Lumberjoe – that is a nice fence system for sure !....I posted a link for RussellAp if he wants to check it out… Not a problem getting $500 for that Ridgid with all the extras…That Laguna is a sweet looking saw !

http://www.incra.com/product_tsf_lsts.htm

-- Measure "at least" twice and cut once

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lumberjoe

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#11 posted 03-13-2013 11:01 PM

While I haven’t had my saw as long as a lot of people, it gets used daily. My wife and I really bang out cutting boards and we are cutting down strips almost every night. I have noticed some other quality issues start to develop as well. I recently had to adjust the set screws because the riving knife armature got really loose. In addition the riving knife lever was next to impossible to engage/disengage. I will admit I change blades very often but It’s still annoying. I was able to fix it by completely disassembling it and put it back together. I made no modifications or cleaning (I keep my stuff clean), but it works great again for some reason.

Unfortunately my initial impressions of the R4512 have faded. This saw is good from far, but far from good.

-- https://pinepointwoodworks.wordpress.com/

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nwbusa

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#12 posted 03-14-2013 12:02 AM

Joe, doesn’t the Fusion also have a split rail system? Seems to me I saw a seam when I looked at one up here. Not sure if it’s a deal breaker on the Laguna.

-- John, BC, Canada

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#13 posted 03-14-2013 12:08 AM

Thanks for crapping on my hopes and dreams John! I’ve never seen one in person, only pics. There is ONE pic on the Rockler site where I can see a seam. looks like it’s plan B then, JET JPS-10TS

-- https://pinepointwoodworks.wordpress.com/

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#14 posted 03-14-2013 12:47 AM

When I was shopping for my saw, the sales guy showed me the Fusion. As soon as I saw the split rail, I said no thanks. I don’t know if it would deteriorate over time like the 4512, but I wasn’t going to gamble.

-- John, BC, Canada

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lumberjoe

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#15 posted 03-14-2013 12:48 AM

I’m not taking a chance either. I instantly crossed that (and it’s General International cousin) off my list

-- https://pinepointwoodworks.wordpress.com/

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