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MarkSr

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03-12-2013 03:56 AM

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Hi Guys,

My shop is about 80% complete and I have started my first project, my WOODWORKING BENCH.

I was doing pretty good but I screwed up on a couple of joints, when I did my M&T’s. I started by ringing my 4 X 4’s, all 4 sides 3/4”, because my tendons are 3/4” from top and bottom and I am making a 3/4” X 1-1/2” tendons.

I realized a mistake after the second 4 X 4, I did not put a stop on my RAS, I followed the lines, then I remembered to put a stop block and I finished all the rest of my cuts.

I dry fitted my two ends but did not really put any pressure on the clamps. WELL, after squaring and gluing and clamping with a lot of pressure I have 4 joints that did not close tight, and to make matters worst, they are on the face of one of the ends.

HELP Please, how can I make those joints looks good. (closed up tight like the others) I don’t want to use wood putty because I am not going to stain or paint the bench, I just want to put varnish or shellac on it, and keep it natural.

Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.

It seems all I do is ask for help here, I never have anything to add that is of any value to anyone. Hopefully that will change some day.

Thanks all you LJ’s for any suggestions you can offer.

Mark

-- Mark, ”...NEWBEE: On the road to learning a lot; but; a lot more to learn…” ("My Granddad used to tell me, if you didn't learn something new today, it just wasn't worth getting out of bed")


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ShaneA

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#1 posted 03-12-2013 04:00 AM

Got some pictures? I am having a tough time visualizing it, with my limited imagination.

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MarkSr

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#2 posted 03-12-2013 04:09 AM

Not right now, but it is where the tendon enters the mortise, three sides are excellent but one side is abut 1/16 to 1/8” open. I can’t take it all apart and try planing the other sided down to match because it would throw it out of square. Is there anything I can fill that gap with, that won’t be real noticeable?

Thanks,
Mark

-- Mark, ”...NEWBEE: On the road to learning a lot; but; a lot more to learn…” ("My Granddad used to tell me, if you didn't learn something new today, it just wasn't worth getting out of bed")

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Craftsman on the lake

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#3 posted 03-12-2013 04:13 AM

Ya, without picts it’s not easy. The only thing I can say is to maybe cut some identical wood with the grain going the same way, tap it in with glue. Not perfect but a fix that will look good unless someone looks really close.

-- The smell of wood, coffee in the cup, the wife let's me do my thing, the lake is peaceful.

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Hammerthumb

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#4 posted 03-12-2013 04:21 AM

Not sure I understand, but if you we’re thinking of using putty to fill the gap, could you glue in a sliver piece of wood to fill it?

-- Paul, Las Vegas

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ShaneA

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#5 posted 03-12-2013 04:21 AM

You can glue strips as Craftsman suggested. Keep same grain direction. Glue them up a bit over sized, then plane down to the proper dimension. Good news its wood, it is fixable.

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woodbutcherbynight

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#6 posted 03-12-2013 04:27 AM

Glue in strips like Hammerthumb and ShaneA suggested. In the future you can show how your screwed up, AND fixed it without starting over. It is not like Better Homes and Gardens is coming over to tour your place and this will be on the front page for the world to see. Or is it????? (laughing)

-- Live to tell the stories, they sound better that way.

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MarkSr

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#7 posted 03-12-2013 04:30 AM

Thanks all, now to try to get my TS to cut a 3 – 3/16” tapered from 1/16 to 1/8”. I will try it tomorrow and let you guys know how it came out. If I can figure out how to send a picture I will.

Thanks a bunch, it’s great to have buddy’s and LJ’s.

Being my first project, at 65 yrs. young, I feel like a kid in a candy shop, even though my tools are older than half of the LJ’s listed. LOL, But they all work great and wouldn’t part them for anything except brand new ones.

Serious, thanks guys, will give it shot tomorrow, and tell you the other side of the story.

Mark

-- Mark, ”...NEWBEE: On the road to learning a lot; but; a lot more to learn…” ("My Granddad used to tell me, if you didn't learn something new today, it just wasn't worth getting out of bed")

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MarkSr

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#8 posted 03-12-2013 04:53 AM

Michael, I know how I screwed up. When I cut the first two 4 X 4’s I followed the line I drew with my square and I probably took the line off on all three sides and left the line the last side.

After I put a stop on the RA fence the cuts came out perfect nice and tight. But like you said I don’t think Better Homes and Gardens will be looking for my bench to show off. (Not to say I wouldn’t let them if they asked) LOL.

And I have another thing that I am kind of proud about. ALL the lumber is recycled from pallets, even the 4 X 4’s, I got a large Commercial Roof Top A/C Unit pallet and it had 4, 14’ yellow pine streachers and 1 X 6 white pine, yellow pine and cedar slats, all of my work shop walls are made with pallet lumber, pine, cedar and some oak, the outside is white alumn. siding on 2 X 4 frame and it’s 10’ X 20’ looks like a little log cabin inside.

My work bench will also be made completely out of pallet material with no hardware connections, I will be using M&T with walnut or maple dowels, (I’ll have to buy them at HP, haven’t found any of those on my pallets). The only hardware will be the two vices, right now I only have the side vice, looking for a good used end vice.

Hope to have pictures soon.

Mark

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-- Mark, ”...NEWBEE: On the road to learning a lot; but; a lot more to learn…” ("My Granddad used to tell me, if you didn't learn something new today, it just wasn't worth getting out of bed")

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Monte Pittman

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#9 posted 03-12-2013 11:26 AM

If it’s filler that you want, mix sawdust with wood glue and use the paste to fill the void. Of course, try to use sawdust from the same type wood you’re using. Not perfect, but helps blend in.

-- Mother Nature created it, I just assemble it.

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Howie

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#10 posted 03-12-2013 12:03 PM

How about routing a butterfly into the joints to cover them up?

-- Life is good.

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apvkt

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#11 posted 03-12-2013 12:15 PM

Hi,
I can understand your problem but i can’t imagine your full situation..So it is better to post some images which clearly shows your problem…

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camps764

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#12 posted 03-12-2013 12:33 PM

wedges are the way to go. If you get the grain direction right you will be the only person that ever notices them. I have done it on several of my first through mortise projects when the fit just wasn’t right.

It’s a learning process and down the road you’ll have those little gaps and plugs to remind you of it.

Looking forward to seeing your bench! Very cool that you did it out of recycled pallet wood, the top to my bench is actually from a heavy machinery pallet as well.

-- Steve

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MarkSr

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#13 posted 03-12-2013 03:27 PM

Just checked back, thanks Monte, Howie, apvkt, & Steve, all great suggestions. Not one of my better days, I am still recovering from a major surgery and have days that it’s hard to get myself to get into the shop and continue, plus a s——y day here in Florida. But, I will prevail. Will get pictures on here and at least show some progress of my first project.

Thanks All
Mark

-- Mark, ”...NEWBEE: On the road to learning a lot; but; a lot more to learn…” ("My Granddad used to tell me, if you didn't learn something new today, it just wasn't worth getting out of bed")

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