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534 days ago

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Has anyone thought about using automotive type air cleaners in place of cartridge filters in the return on a DC?


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#1 posted 534 days ago

There have been several threads here, that use semi-truck air filters for their DC. I don’t have a link, but a search should work.

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#2 posted 534 days ago

The problem with doing that is that in a wood shop to need to filter 0.5 micron dust,
I do not know that truck or heavy equipment will do that.
In addition these filters are not cheap.
You need HEPA or Merv 15/16 filters , they are not cheap.
The worse thing you can do to yourself is having a false sense of security using filters that do not in fact filter the fine dust.

-- Bert

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#3 posted 534 days ago

MrRon, This is what you are looking for http://www.everythingtruckparts.com/wix-46863-air-filter/#.UT5iHVfJbdg . You can catch these on sale at a Kenworth or Peterbilt dealer for around fifty bucks. They will work on a DC, these things filter a massive amount of air going into a $30 – $60,000.00 engine, talking near 100% filtration. Just a small amount of dust, dirt or debris is expensive. Now this comes from owning several trucks, the last rebuild I did on a engine was $20,000.00.

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#4 posted 534 days ago

1 Tablespoon of dust will ruin a diesel engine. Truck and tractor filters filter in the 2 to 3 micron area. I have rebuilt a lot of engines that had filters that had a pinhole or the seal wasn’t seated properly.

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#5 posted 534 days ago

Here’s the forum link to this question

http://lumberjocks.com/topics/41917

If you search the LJ forums for “Donaldson” filters – you will get some info on the subject

I contemplated it – but bought a Wynn Nano anyway – happy so far – still experimenting

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#6 posted 534 days ago

I used Donaldson truck filters on my DC reno and they are great. Same nano filter ratings as Wynn, just a lot cheaper.

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#7 posted 533 days ago

I built this dust collector several years ago, it works great but I may go with a larger filter made for the dust collector.
http://www.woodmagazine.com/ideas/wood-shop-showcase/idea-shop-3/?page=13

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#8 posted 533 days ago

I was looking into the Donaldson filters, I couldn’t find anything that listed the merv rating, micron level of the filtering, or the surface area of their various filters. Also, it seems only the blue ones are nano? Can anyone confirm this?

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#9 posted 533 days ago

I looked in the past at Farr filters as I know them for many years and I work with them today.
I could not find filters filtering to 0.3microns.

-- Bert

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#10 posted 533 days ago

I really don’t know the answer, but I have a few thoughts on it. I would like to know more.

Air flow through a truck filter is opposite of how air flows through dust collectors. On a truck the air enters the filter element from the outside and exits through the center. On a DC, the air enters the filter through the center and exits out the filter element. I really don’t know if this will be a problem, but I have my suspicion. If you use it, and like it, I’m glad for you.

DC filters usually have a means to clean the filter. Mine has a handle that connects to flaps inside the filter. Rotating the handle agitates the filter and gravity does the rest. The truth is , they don’t really work very well. If you disagree,rotate your flaps, take off your filter, take it outside and blow low pressure compressed air , from the outside in, and see what you get. You won’t get that flap with a truck filter.

All the air that gets sucked in the hose must exit through the filter.

With allowance for inflation, that’s my 2 cents worth.

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#11 posted 533 days ago

Looks like truck air filters will work and are a lot cheaper than the ones sold for DC’s. The only thing that concerns me is; when used on a truck engine, the air flow is from outside the filter. In a DC application, the air flow is reversed. Will this make a difference?

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#12 posted 533 days ago

I had the same question,.
I guess the material the filter is made off , really does care about the the air flow direction.
My concern is truck air cleaners not filtering the finest dust, the dust that really arm your lungs.

-- Bert

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#13 posted 533 days ago

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#14 posted 533 days ago

Thank you Dallas, notice that these are not heavy equipment or truck air cleaners.
The post is about automatic type air cleaners used on dust collectors.
I do not know how small a dust particle these filters stop

-- Bert

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#15 posted 533 days ago

If you look at the pdf files some of them filter down to .02 microns.

Being in the trucking industry for 50+ years I can also tell you that modern air filters filter that much or more, depending on the system. Some have primary and secondary filters.

Look at page 3 of donaldsons truck filters here.

This is found at http://www.donaldson.com/en/engine/extendedservice/air.html

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