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Forum topic by RussellAP posted 03-11-2013 05:42 PM 1108 views 1 time favorited 34 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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RussellAP

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03-11-2013 05:42 PM

One of the things I find most frustrating on LJ’s is our inability to hold conversations on our forum topics. Maybe there is a feature here I’m missing. Most all forums like this have a reply button to individual comments, but not here. I seldom feel confident that anything I say in a reply to another LJ is received.

This is such a nuisance, and it needs to change.

Agreed?

It is almost a deal breaker and I’d leave any other forum that is so primitive but for all you guys.

EDIT:
After several comments, I realize that I didn’t really explain what I wanted to see.
If I comment on someone else’s comment, they don’t have anyway to see it unless they’ve chosen to follow the post and happen to come by my remark. I think you should be able at least to tag others so they know you responded to them. Otherwise you have no idea if they have even seen it.

A simple system would simply be to enable tags to route to email. The tag could simply be putting an @ before their name and this would alert them that someone responded so you don’t look like you’re ignoring anyone.

-- A positive attitude will take you much further than positive thinking ever will.


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MsDebbieP

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#1 posted 03-11-2013 06:02 PM

If I’m understanding you correctly, you want to see little threads inside the forum conversation; some people like the individual threads and some people like to see the conversation as a whole.
We have chosen to use the “holistic” approach.

-- ~ Debbie, Canada (https://www.facebook.com/DebbiePribeleENJOConsultant)

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Dan Lyke

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#2 posted 03-11-2013 06:05 PM

I’ve written a couple of weblog comment systems, and been around this whole online forum thing since somewhere in the early ‘80s (the days of something called the “BBS”, for you youngsters), and I think I prefer the unthreaded comments.

My impression is that unthreaded comments allow the conversation as a whole to evolve. That people are more likely to take the time to catch up and respond to the current thinking of the group, and to create responses that encapsulate more of the train of thought, rather than fire off snarky one-liners.

(And I should know, I’m the worst at wanting to fire off snarky one-liners…)

It’s just a gut feel, I don’t have any numbers or experiments to back me up, but it’s the reason my weblog doesn’t have threaded comments, most of the online forums where I participate regularly (except for email lists) don’t have threaded comments, and I think it helps here.

On the other hand I generally don’t even bother here if there are more than 15-20 comments on a subject, so I definitely don’t claim any sort of authority.

-- Dan Lyke, Petaluma California, http://www.flutterby.net/User:DanLyke

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Gene Howe

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#3 posted 03-11-2013 06:12 PM

Russell,
If the thread interests me (and too darned many do) I read the whole thing.
If I want to reply to someone’s particular post, I start my reply with their name, as I’ve done here.
Some forums with threaded posts get way too convoluted to follow….for me, anyway.

-- Gene 'The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.' G. K. Chesterton

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#4 posted 03-11-2013 06:19 PM

I agree with Gene. I almost always avoid sites that have threads setup that way. It usually gets to be more effort to follow a topic than it should be.

-- Mos - Twin Cities, MN -- Stanley #45 Evangelist - www.youtube.com/MosquitoMods

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OggieOglethorpe

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#5 posted 03-11-2013 06:29 PM

As another former BBS’er, I think I prefer unthreaded here.

It’s easy enough to zip down the list and scan for useful information. Threads have to be followed, and good info can get lost in a thread that wanders and returns to the topic.

I think threaded formats work best in heavily moderated situations.

I also tend to do the same as Dan, regarding number of replies. Once a topic hits a certain number of replies, it’s usually not worth joining and trying to add a point of view. At that point, usually the comment I am about to make has already been made, or the conversation has become pointless.

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paratrooper34

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#6 posted 03-11-2013 06:30 PM

Yup, same here, I hate those sites. If your interest is that they see your post, send them a PM. Then you will know they saw it and you can be satisfied.

If they are interested in what you have to say, they will read the thread and maybe even send a Thank You.

-- Mike

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helluvawreck

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#7 posted 03-11-2013 06:34 PM

I generally read the whole thread if the topic interests me unless I come in toward the last third of a long thread before I noticed it. Then I read the last third or so because of time constraints.

helluvawreck aka Charles
http://woodworkingexpo.wordpress.com

-- If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau

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GaryL

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#8 posted 03-11-2013 06:34 PM

I have to agree with Gene also. I enjoy the “holistic” because to me it is easier to follow. Having to click back and forth between different threads in one posts gets old fast.

-- Gary; Marysville, MI...Involve your children in your projects as much as possible, the return is priceless.

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jdmaher

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#9 posted 03-11-2013 07:12 PM

If someone chooses not to follow the topic, they are probably not interested in any replies directed specifically to their posting. However, the rest of us following a topic might want to know . . .

If the concern is to ensure that some poster hears what you insist they hear, I’d suggest sending a private message.

I see no need for change.

-- Jim Maher, Illinois

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CharlieM1958

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#10 posted 03-11-2013 07:17 PM

Russell…. looks like you are being seriously outnumbered here. LOL!

For the record, I agree with everyone else. I like it like it is.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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RussellAP

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#11 posted 03-11-2013 07:21 PM

Jim and Charlie, it’s not that I insist on people hearing what I have to say at all, it’s simply a way to be alerted on a post if someone responds to something I say or has an additional comment on someone else’s post, or (like this comment itself) I just want to insure you know I replied to you. right now it’s kinda dumb luck if we see each others responses.

-- A positive attitude will take you much further than positive thinking ever will.

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Stephenw

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#12 posted 03-11-2013 07:22 PM

RussellAP said, “One of the things I find most frustrating on LJ’s is our inability to hold conversations on our forum topics. Maybe there is a feature here I’m missing. Most all forums like this have a reply button to individual comments, but not here. I seldom feel confident that anything I say in a reply to another LJ is received.”

You just need to know a little html. Use blockquote tags.

Like this…

<blockquote>RussellAP said, “Quote text goes here.”</blockquote>

I like that this forum allows the use of HTML. This is the only forum I know of that allows this. Other forums only allow the use of certain bulletin board specific tags.

-- http://www.garagebulletin.com/

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Mosquito

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#13 posted 03-11-2013 07:25 PM

or like some people, start your reply with bold and their name

RusselAP, a person should notice that pretty easily

-- Mos - Twin Cities, MN -- Stanley #45 Evangelist - www.youtube.com/MosquitoMods

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RussellAP

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#14 posted 03-11-2013 07:25 PM

What will that do StephenW? And if it’s something that easy, why isn’t there a tab for it on the edit screen where we type comments.

See I’m not trying to convolute the place with a bunch of tech stuff, hell I know woodworkers are probably among the least tech savvy folks out there, which is cool, but if we can make our experience better, why not?

-- A positive attitude will take you much further than positive thinking ever will.

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Smitty_Cabinetshop

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#15 posted 03-11-2013 07:29 PM

I love the holistic approach and wouldn’t want it any other way.

Regarding tags in the revised OP, I see the point but honestly don’t want to be bothered by people ‘tagging’ me in their replies. If it’s my topic or post, I have it watched. If it’s one I commented on, the vast majority of the time it’s to the OP and I assume they see it. Any other scenario, as mentioned above, and I’d consider a PM. Lots of methods to choose from.

Some posts are old. Very old. And long, too. Someone tags a reply I made eighteen months ago, in a topic that’s got a hundred replies, I don’t think I’ll care…

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive

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