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03-09-2013 11:01 PM

Topic tags/keywords: question tablesaw

I know this has been a common topic lately so i thought I would join the club. I feel my dinky ol’ skilsaw table saw is holding me back… well I KNOW it is. Getting to be a pain in my ass. As soon as the weather gets nice and I can get the boat out of the garage I want take advantage of my tax return and fill the void with a new table saw. I would honestly love to get a grizzly.. been eye balling the G0661, but I don’t think upgrading to 220v is a possibility. Is it worth spending the cash to run on 110v?

Other options of course would be the ridgid R4512 which I’m sure would suit my needs if I get one from good batch, same goes with the Porter Cable pcb270. Also Ive seen a few DEWALT DW746XB 10” pop up on my local CL, ive never seen or heard of these before, if anyone has any experience with this saw Id appreciate the input, there all between 600 to 700 bucks.

Other than that, if anyone has any other suggestions for under 1k, it would surely be appreciated. THANKS.


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J

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#1 posted 03-09-2013 11:09 PM

Putting in 220v is not that hard, you just need space in the breaker panel. I just don’t know of any substitute for getting more power out of your saw, well… than getting a more powerful saw.

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#2 posted 03-09-2013 11:19 PM

I would base the saw on availible space. a bigger saw….great, but if you can’t move around in your shop, what is the point. he is correct putting in 220 line is not hard to do. when picking a saw just remember bigger motor only mean a faster rate of feed. My 1.5 contractor cuts everything just fine with the proper set up. ps: you will love your new saw regardless

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#3 posted 03-09-2013 11:29 PM

I’ve used the 4512 and find them to be a great saw for the price range.As I’m sure you have seen if you searched on Ljs that some Home Depots will accept Harbor freights 20% off coupons. If you want a cabinet saw then Grizzly’s Hybrid is a good choice it still runs on 110vt.

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#4 posted 03-10-2013 12:00 AM

”...when picking a saw just remember bigger motor only mean a faster rate of feed….”

Faster feed rate is only one of many virtues a bigger motor offers. A bigger motor won’t work nearly as hard….it’ll loaf easily through things that a smaller motor will struggle with, which means it should last longer. You get to work at your pace vs the saw’s pace. More importantly, a bigger motor is usually attached to a much heavier duty saw…more mass, better stability, more robust trunnions, better gears, bigger handwheels, less vibration, etc. The downside is the requirement of 220v.

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If you don’t have 220v, and don’t see yourself installing it, there are several very capable 110v saws. CL is loaded in your greater area….lots of decent saws, but many looked overpriced to me, which could just be people referencing other overpriced saws as a price base, and thinking that’s the going price. It should still be a buyer’s market for you, so don’t be afraid to offer less than they’re asking. Once the price on average full size used saws gets much over $300, a new hybrid style contractor saw with a riving knife, warranty, and return privileges at $450-$550 gets pretty attractive.

The DW746 was an early hybrid that came out in the late 90’s. It’s made in the USA and is very well built. The major knocks were that the fence wasn’t quite on par with other $900-$1000 saws, but is still a functional fence, and it came stock with steel wings….cast wings were an option. A nice cast iron sliding miter table was also an option for these saws. There’s nothing wrong with the underpinnings, other than that it predates a true riving knife. At the right price, it could be a good acquisition, but you’ll have to weigh out what you get for the money vs another saw.

All of these full size 110v saws have similarly sized tables, similar motor power, similar duty ratings, and have similar cutting potential that depends heavily on good alignment and blade choice. Decide the importance of things like a top notch fence, solid cast wings, riving knife, mobile base, full enclosure, interior motor, availability of parts, etc., and go from there.

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Shawn Masterson

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#5 posted 03-10-2013 12:42 AM

you really need to consider going 220. It will open the options of way more tools of a better quality. I have even branched into 3 phz with a rotary converter. the bigger machines are built to last longer and be stronger and more serviceable. they are also better quality for a better price, what I mean is way more bang for the buck. even most big compressors are 220. this is a road you really need to look at before you make a decision.

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#6 posted 03-10-2013 01:12 AM

Mark,
If you have the money install the 220V and get a SawStop. Can’t spend that much? Get a Grizzly 1023RL series, I have one and love it. Still don’t want the 220V? Get a Grizzly 715P, its 2HP and you can run it on 120 or 220V. You will just have to order a 120V overload for the switch when you order the saw. ( just a couple of dollars) My son has one and he loves it.

-- Jim from Doniphan

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Mark828

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#7 posted 03-10-2013 01:40 AM

space isn’t really an issue, I have all my bigger tools on casters and once the boats out its out for good. I said I was looking at the G0661 but i meant the G0715p hybrid, that’s probably the max amount I could bare to fork up. Plus with that I could rewire to 110v and flop back to 220v if it ever becomes an option. If I did purchase the ridged or porter cable I’d most likely get an aftermarket fence which would bump the final price close to the grizzly. It’s definitely going to take a while to decide what will work best for me. This is so frustrating! wish I could just pull straws! hmmm… lightbulb

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#8 posted 03-10-2013 02:00 AM

Mark,
A little more follow-up. The Grizzly 715p is heck of a good saw for the money. It’s not a Powermatic but so what? Thats not what you’re looking for. A 2HP saw will cut anything you need to cut and if you take care of it, should last a life time. The more you read these post, the more you realize there is not enough horse power to suit some people, so take what you read with a grain of salt. Also, see if someone will give you a Grizzly 10% off coupon. Anyone who receive an April Woodworkers Journal should have one. I already gave mine away or I would give it to you. Good Luck.

-- Jim from Doniphan

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#9 posted 03-10-2013 02:11 AM

That grizzly you’re looking at looks like a good saw. I have been using a Craftsman contractor saw for the last 20 years that is what would now be considered 1.75hp and it has been working great. I can cut 8/4 oak without any problem or burning. Are you doing this as a hobby or business, if it’s a hobby and you aren’t just slamming the wood through the 110v should work fine. Depending on where your panel is and if you have breaker spaces it’s really not that hard to run 220v though. One key point to remember with 110v pulling 16 amps is to make sure your circuit is at least 20 amp (ie. 12 gauge wire) and if you have to use an extension cord keep it as short as possible and a minimum cord size of 12 gauge. I think more important than power is a good fence and a generally accurate saw.

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Shawn Masterson

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#10 posted 03-10-2013 11:27 PM

Before you go new watch CL. There are a lot of deals on cabinet saws out there. I got my pm66 for 800.
I see unisaws between 400-1000 all the time. IMO a hybrid seem silly since it takes the same footprint as
a cabinet saw and has less power. Just my thoughts

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Mark828

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#11 posted 03-11-2013 12:10 AM

I check CL everyday i don’t know if its just me but I never see anything worth sending an email or phone call. This goes for bandsaws and tablesaws. all I ever see is real old saw or lower end contractor saw… selling for full retail prices. It’s a shame because I have no problem with buying used.

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GT350

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#12 posted 03-11-2013 12:24 AM

Where I live we have the same problem, very few decent tools on Craigslist..

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Shawn Masterson

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#13 posted 03-11-2013 12:36 AM

have you tried expanding your search. I check with in 150 miles of the house when I am really looking for something. I searched for over a year for a 15” planer and ended up driving 165 miles each way to go get my 20” planer for $675. CL is a waiting game and you have to have cash in hand and be ready to pounce on it like a fat kid on a Twinkie. around here I see saws like this all the time. and don’t be scared of 3phz. Rotary phase converters(ROC) are easy to set up with a pre-made panel and once the investment is made in 3phz that opens up a whole new world of industrial tools. You can usually run up to 4 tools on 1 ROC. I have $265 in my 10HP ROC
good luck

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Shawn Masterson

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#14 posted 03-11-2013 01:04 AM

your right I looked at your CL and they are nuts, but I found these to in the nearby area. the PM seem like a good saw if you could get it under $350 and only because it comes with the delta tenon jig, Incra miter, a forrest woodworker II blade, and shopfox mobile base
also found this jet I have never had a jet but at this price it seem fair

either way these are the next step up the ladder, but I would probably keep looking also keep an eye out for auctions

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knotscott

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#15 posted 03-11-2013 01:08 AM

Careful with those original Jet Supersaws….they had a known issue with the belts used for the blade elevation. Some were supposedly fixed, others not.

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