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Forum topic by Sergio posted 03-05-2013 03:37 PM 715 views 0 times favorited 9 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Sergio

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03-05-2013 03:37 PM

Hello Jocks,
I just began to restore two old wooden planes that belonged to my grandpa and they have not been used for more than 30 years. When I took out the iron from the nr4, I found a glued paper with two arrows, one red and other black, you can see it in the picture below. I think but I am not sure that it indicates the position of the back (support) iron. Can anyone telll what it is really for? I appreciate your help :)

The marks:

The planes I am restoring

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#1 posted 03-06-2013 01:18 AM

Now that’s interesting. I’ve taken a lot of these wooden planes apart, and never run into anything like that.

So by back support, do you meant the chip breaker, which goes in front of the iron?

I can’t see haw they would be used for anything. They would behind the iron and not visible.

I hope somebody chimes in with a better idea then mine!!

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#2 posted 03-06-2013 01:30 AM

just a guess but maybe the iron vibrated when in use and it was determined that the area where the paper is was low so the paper was glued in tighten it up

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#3 posted 03-06-2013 11:05 AM

It does not seem that the paper was glued there just for support. The way it is well placed, it looks like to be original part of the plane. My only guess is that it indicates the best placement for the chip breaker. But it is also true that it will be hidden behind the iron.

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#4 posted 03-06-2013 12:11 PM

Its possible they were just on the piece of paper used, and they have no correlation to the plane what so ever. It may be a mystery never solved.

The horned plane is bigger than the typical horned planes you see. Do you know if your grampa made them?

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#5 posted 03-06-2013 01:58 PM

I’ve got it! It’s like a firearm. Put the blade at the red arrow, safety is off, tool is ready for action. Put it at the black arrow, safety is on, ready for storage. :)

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#6 posted 03-06-2013 02:14 PM

The horned one is 220mm long, 55mmx55mm square. I don´t think it is big, just look so in the picture.
It´s very unlikely that my Grandpa made them, at that time in Brazil there were some dedicated toolmakers that imported the irons and made the plane here. By the way, the irons are from good brands, one is Goldenberg (France) and the other is Erik Anton Berg (Sweden).

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#7 posted 03-06-2013 02:25 PM

Sergio,

Does the plane have marks on both sides or just one side?

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#8 posted 03-06-2013 03:38 PM

only one side

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#9 posted 03-06-2013 03:48 PM

The paper is probably there to move the blade forward a hair, thus tightening up the mouth. The arrows may have been marked when fitting a new wedge. Can you transpose those arrow locations to the side of the escapement and then install the blade with chip breaker, and wedge. I would bet that the wedge is pretty close to the location of that black arrow when the chip breaker edge is at the red one. The black one seems way too far back to indicate a proper chip breaker location.

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