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Lumberpunk

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511 days ago

Ok I am looking at buying a new tablesaw and have found four I am interested in.

1- Ridgid 4511 $300 think I can knock him down though as it’s been listed every week for weeks

2- General 50-175 $500

3- General 50-175 with some sort of big aftermarket fence $550

4- Delta (not sure model but is a hybrid type) with Biesmeyer fence $285

Thoughts? I am cleared with the wife for $300 so either of the Generals will involve negotiations.


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knotscott

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#1 posted 511 days ago

The “General” saws, are “General International”, not to be confused with the legendary Canadian made General line owned by the same family company. Still good contractor saws with good fences, but are an older technology with no riving knife and outboard motors, so I think $500 is on the steep side. The Delta could be a really nice deal if it’s in decent shape…it’s likely a 36-717 hybrid. The R4511 and Delta could both be good deals….you might consider buying both, putting the Biese on the R4511 and reselling the Delta with the R4511’s fence.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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darthford

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#2 posted 511 days ago

FYI on the Rigid, “This saw was recently recalled for faulty blade arbors. Apparently the blade arbor can break when the saw is equipped with a dado set. Saws affected have date codes between CD0829 and CD0837 and were sold at Home Depot stores between January 2009 and July 2009 for approximately $600.”

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History

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#3 posted 511 days ago

The “General” saws are good contractor saws with good fences, but are an older technology with no riving knife and outboard motors, if so I think $500 is on the steep side. Typical Contractor’s saw nit picking. Considering that most people never have installed the splitter on their table saws, in my opinion the Riving knife isn’t a deal breaker, and neither is a motor hanging out the back. Most people use an outfeed table or roller stand out the back of the saw, so where is the real estate lost ? The Delta could be a really nice deal if it’s in decent shape, it’s likely a 36-717 hybrid. The R4511 and Delta could both be good deals. You might consider buying both, putting the Biese on the R4511 and reselling the Delta with the R4511’s fence. I also don’t understand the logic in that statement. Are you trying to tell us that the Ridgid R4511 is a better saw then the Delta 36-717 Hybrid ? I’d have to disagree. Buy the Delta 36-717 with the Biesemeyer fence.

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Lumberpunk

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#4 posted 511 days ago

Sorry I was wrong about the Hybrid it is not a 36-717 i think it is a 34-444 photo is very blurry

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Smitty_Cabinetshop

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#5 posted 511 days ago

I was going to say Disston, maybe a 12pt, filed rip. But it wasn’t a choice. Sorry, I’l leave now. :-)

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive

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Lumberpunk

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#6 posted 511 days ago

Funny I actually used my hand saw to cut wood today, doesn’t happen very often.

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Smitty_Cabinetshop

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#7 posted 511 days ago

Well then, I wasn’t that far off!

Thanks, L, for taking the laugh the way it was intended. I’ll leave quietly now, good luck with your choice! :-)

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive

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Dvalery20

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#8 posted 511 days ago

Just go on Craigslist and find an old Unisaw, they go for like $300.

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knotscott

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#9 posted 511 days ago

”Are you trying to tell us that the Ridgid R4511 is a better saw then the Delta 36-717 Hybrid ? I’d have to disagree. Buy the Delta 36-717 with the Biesemeyer fence. ”

Yes, in some ways….regardless of the name plate, none of these things are all good or all bad in absolute terms. There are pros and cons with most. The Delta hybrid has table mounted trunnions and connecting rods as an arbor carriage, which are less desirable to me than the cabinet mounted trunnions and cast arbor carriage of the R4512…..add the Biese fence to the R4511 and you’ve got a nice setup IMHO. Remove the “Delta” badge from the equation, and it’s really nothing special as early Asian hybrids go. Sounds like it’s moot point anyway, as the saw turns out not to be a hybrid.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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History

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#10 posted 511 days ago

I have an American made Delta 34-444 Contractor’s saw with a Unifence that I bought new in 1995. It’s one of the best built true Contractor’s saws out there, and all that I’ve needed in the 30 years that I’ve been a hobbyist woodworker. I still say buy the Delta if it’s in decent condition. I’m not going to even get started on the rediculous Cabinet saw recommendation.

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Ron Harper

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#11 posted 511 days ago

Smitty,

I think the 8 pt D8 is a more practical choice :).

-- Ron in Kokomo

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SamuraiSaw

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#12 posted 511 days ago

Your best choice?

Buy the Rigid. It has a riving knife (excellent safety feature) and is left tilt. That makes for safer and more accurate bevel cuts. The delta is right tilt, that alone should kill any desire to own it. Due to the apparent demise of delta, parts will be nonexistent.

Keep watching craigslist. Your best money spent will be an older cabinet saw. Better construction, better accuracy, and better dust control.

-- Artisan Woodworks of Texas.... www.awwtx.com

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History

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#13 posted 511 days ago

Buy what you want, I’m tired of this constant delusional nit picking. It’s not worth the aggrevation or my time. Goodluck.

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Lumberpunk

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#14 posted 511 days ago

@SawSucker, I am just looking for peoples thoughts, I will buy what I want in the end but I’m not super familiar with any of these saws and am trying to see what people think…. not looking for a definitive answer just thoughts (and yours are appreciated). Please don’t get aggravated… it’s not worth it… it’s only the internet.

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History

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#15 posted 511 days ago

Lsmart, The problem with some peoples thoughts is that some aren’t in your best interest. Not one of the people that are trying to push you towards a Cabinet saw have asked what you plan to do with the saw, how serious you are about woodworking, or have asked what your electrical situation is in your shop. For myself, I’m not rich, and I’m not going to sink a bunch of money into a hobby where in most cases I’m lucky if I can make $5 an hour. I have to spend my hard earned money wisely. I may not have the best of everything, but I feel fortunate and proud of what I do own.

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