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Jerry

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02-28-2013 02:18 PM

Well we live on 13 acres. My neighbor, a good distance away in the past has threatened to shoot my dog. My dog has never threatened him, or been on his property. Our dog, Largo, is a pure bread GSD pure black. A very family oriented and loving dog. He loves our horses, our chickens, he plays with my one neighbors donkeys, they even smooch sometimes through the fence, it is sort of cute. He is young and active, playful.

The neighbor that does not like him, it is due to Largo’s size and intimidating look. The guy tells me a wolf like mine (oh yeah, Largo is not a wolf :O) will kill his goats just for the fun of it. Basically this is a guy who is in fear of our family dog for no reason.

Our first run in with this neighbor actually involved a jet black wild hog that ran his and my property line. The guy mistaked the black hog for my dog. I know this because I pursued the black hog myself since it was on my side of the property line. My dog was inside the home at the time. That is when the neighbor told me my dog, which was in my home at the time, was on his property and that he fears for the safety of his goats and he will shoot my dog, will not hesitate. I tried to educate the fella, even told him about the hog that he had thought was our dog.

Well, yesterday I was out of town installing, my parents were prepping the pad for our shop foundation, we had some more loads of base brought in and they removed the fence back for the trucks to get in. Largo went to explore and I am certain he was likely playing as he is very playful. He went onto another neighbor’s property, the neighbor who does not like him seen our dog on our other neighbor’s property, and shot him twice. So that neighbor called me and told me his neighbor seen my dog on his property and shot him.

So my dog was not even on his property and he shot my dog. We made a police report but no arrest will occur because it is certain the neighbor will claim my dog was aggressive with livestock on the other neighbor’s property.

So the law states if a dog is aggressive and placing another farm animal or person’s life in danger, lethal force to defend is legal. So you can shoot a neighbor’s dog as long as you say he was threatening livestock. If you all knew Largo, you all would agree the dog loves to run and play, and is not a threat to any livestock.

Largo is still alive. It appears he was hit with buckshot. One side of his lip area hangs loose but does not seem severe. He had a small puncture also on his side. He does not act like he is in pain, but he is more lathargic and has a sad look on his face. He does not possess that smiley attitude he typically possesses. He loves to nuzzle and is a very affectionate dog, and now he just has a sad look. I know I should take him to the vet but I don’t believe he has been terminally injured. I do believe he will be fine, slight disformation of his lower lip otherwise I just hope his mood gets happier.

Here is a few pics of him:

Also, please consider one other fact about our area. We live among a heavy population of Coyotes. They hunt daily in packs. Their population is very strong and they are a huge threat to local livestock. We have a 7 year old and 5 year old daughter, and Largo provides a little sense of protection from area wild life as he loves to spend time with our girls while they are outside.

I really only give this sad story because I view many of you on LJ as friends. If you have something making you feel sad, sometimes it helps to just get it out and find a listening ear. Thanks for listening/reading guys/gals. Jerry

-- Jerry Nettrour, San Antonio, www.topqualitycabinets.net


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Pdub

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#1 posted 02-28-2013 02:26 PM

Sorry to hear about Largo. Hope he starts feeling better soon. Dogs are pretty tough, it will just take a little while. Largo is a beautiful dog!!!

-- Paul, North Dakota, USAF Ret.

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Jerry

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#2 posted 02-28-2013 02:32 PM

I also mentioned the coyotes because the coyote population is the real threat to this neighbor’s goats, not my family dog. Tough when a guy does not even know who his enemy is and who it is not not. In this case, he views a friendly dog as his enemy, when in fact the coyotes are his enemy.

Oh yeah, and I want to mention, this neighbor’s female anatolian shephard (the neighbor who shot my dog), got onto our land 2 months ago and pursued our female lab (we have 2 dogs, a female lab, a male GSD). I know 2 female dogs will potentially become aggressive with each other quickly. So I secured my dogs quickly and allowed that neighbor’s wife to come onto my property to retrieve their Shephard. In hind site I should have retrieved my 30-06 and put their dog down. No way the dog would have survived if I had done that. But that is not my nature. While I perceived their dog as a threat to my dog, instead of going to kill their dog, which really is not in my nature, I allowed them to retrieve their dog safely.

Their Shephard has also chased my deer off this last season while I was hunting. It was a real bummer watching a group of deer run off but I did not go to shooting their shephard, which was certainly acting out of aggression towards wild livestock. Which helps feed my family throughout the year.

Oh well.

-- Jerry Nettrour, San Antonio, www.topqualitycabinets.net

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Bogeyguy

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#3 posted 02-28-2013 02:33 PM

I think you should press the police for action. If they don’t, go to a magistrate and press charges.

-- Art, Pittsburgh.

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JoeinGa

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#4 posted 02-28-2013 02:41 PM

I believe I’d be putting a beat down on this bastard if it were me.
Yeah, Yeah, I know. I’d probably get arrested but by the time I was done, he’d certainly understand the difference between a family pet and a wild dog (wolf)

-- Perform A Random Act Of Kindness Today ... Pay It Forward

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ShaneA

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#5 posted 02-28-2013 02:48 PM

Sounds like a tough situation. Hopefully he is able to make a full recovery. Any chance of shifting the vet bills to the shooter?

Beautiful dog though, I know that I would be upset, but better to not take revenge. Then the situation can really spiral out of control. I agree to try to keep the dog on your property for the future, would hate to see him get trigger happy again. Good luck.

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Jerry

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#6 posted 02-28-2013 02:54 PM

Thanks for the nice words. And yes, we will be securing fences and the electric fence is a good idea. Out here, we utilize regular ranch fence with 2 barbed wire at the base to prevent digging under. It is very effective. So I just need to mend some fences. However, we typically keep our dogs inside our immediate yard area with a very secure fence which provides us about 2 acres of space. Just too bad I am building and my secure fence became unsecure when the trucks came in. Of course we also have a very large kennel that has 6’ fencing, we use it a lot for Largo but my parents did not think about putting Largo in the kennel at that time and since I was out of town. Oh well.

-- Jerry Nettrour, San Antonio, www.topqualitycabinets.net

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Jerry

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#7 posted 02-28-2013 02:55 PM

Yes he should see a vet.

-- Jerry Nettrour, San Antonio, www.topqualitycabinets.net

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Delta356

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#8 posted 02-28-2013 05:20 PM

I hope your dogs recovers…..People treat animals so bad these days…... Keep an eye on this guy…. He seems trigger happy…. Stay strong largo…. take care larry….

Thanks, Michael Frey
Portland, OR

FREY WOODWORKING INC.

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Gassit

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#9 posted 02-28-2013 10:46 PM

Hi,

None of my business but I think you should take Largo to a vet as soon as you can manage it.

The vet will make sure Largo feels better and I’m sure you’ll feel better knowing that you’ve looked after your old mate Largo. Think of all the happiness he’s brought you.

So, if circumstances permit, take ol’ Largo to the vet.

And I raise a glass to people like you…Cheers!

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Dusty56

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#10 posted 02-28-2013 11:01 PM

I would get that dog to a vet ASAP and make the neighbor pay any and all bills.
I can’t believe that he was allowed to shoot something on his neighbor’s property in the first place , and that the police don’t have any laws regarding discharging a weapon near a dwelling.

-- I'm absolutely positive that I couldn't be more uncertain!

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Dan'um Style

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#11 posted 02-28-2013 11:38 PM

Jerry … send the man a registered letter telling him you plan on suing him. C-Copy the police department.
Ask for their assistance in writing. C-Copy the newspaper.

-- keeping myself entertained ... Humor and fun lubricate the brain

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HorizontalMike

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#12 posted 02-28-2013 11:50 PM

Come on Jerry, if you choose to live out here (I too live in the country outside San Antonio) you assume the risks.

After all, you said ”...Largo provides a little sense of protection from area wild life as he loves to spend time with our girls while they are outside…. ” . And you don’t think that applies to either your neighbor OR your neighbor’s livestock? HUH? You can’t have it both ways Jerry. You just admitted that you have your dog because of its capability to be violent to others outside. Is THAT why I have neighbors’ dogs running on my property as well? And why have those dogs growled and barked at me as I stand on my OWN porch? Geez… go back to the city already. There is a reason it is called ”...the country…”

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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Kazooman

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#13 posted 02-28-2013 11:50 PM

Yep, get Largo to the Vet and keep all the bills. Get a sworn testimony from the neighbor who saw the shooting. At least take the shooter to small claims court to pay all of the vet bills. The dog was not on his property. He apparently has no proof that the dog was ever on his property nor that the dog was ever a threat to anyone or any livestock. He had no right to shoot it, barring some specific legal claiim that the dog was a menace. He (or his agent) shot him anyway. What are the local laws regarding shooting on someone else’s property? Did he shoot across YOUR property? You really need to press the issue of firing a weapon near residential dwellings.

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DKV

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#14 posted 03-01-2013 12:16 AM

TAKE YOUR DOG TO THE VET! You can’t love him that much if you don’t take him to the doc. What are you…cheap? What if your wife had been shot? Would you self diagnose her injuries also? Oh she’s ok…just a hanging lip and a little bit of buck shot. She’ll be fine in a couple of weeks…

-- Have fun and laugh alot. Life can end at any moment. You old guys out there know what I mean...

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Francisco Luna

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#15 posted 03-01-2013 12:39 AM

I’m really sorry to hear such a sad story. I’m sorry much more for you to have such a “cave man” as a neighbor.
Don’t waste your time suing, hating, fighting or doing anything to a person like that, if something like that can be called a person. If I can give any advice, get away from that person as much as you can, today is your dog…..what’s next?

-- Nature is my manifestation of God. I go to nature every day for inspiration in the day's work. I follow in building the principles which nature has used in its domain" Frank Lloyd Wright

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