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Forum topic by bandit571 posted 02-28-2013 12:33 AM 1137 views 0 times favorited 16 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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bandit571

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02-28-2013 12:33 AM

Topic tags/keywords: question plane

I have a little Dunlap #3 with the “Made in West Germany” stamped iron. Ok, so far.

Looked under the frog, and saw at least five threads on the bolts holding the frog. Hmm. Gaposis?? No, the frog resides on a pair of rails, one on each side, and it rides up front on the base casting. The gap is almost 1/8”. Can’t lower the frog with out the front end needing changed too. Design issue??

Iron sits at a higher angle than the rest of my #3 planes. About 5 degrees more lean forward. Designed this way? maybe a way to get the “York Pitch” on a smoother #3 size? iron is nice and thick, and so is the chip breaker. Chip breaker will NOT fit any of the other #3 planes, too short.

Iron is narrower than the chipbreaker. Case of Metric iron meets SAE chipbreaker? Lever cap is even narrower than the iron. A design feature, again?? Base is the same length and width as a “standard” #3. I can set the iron for as close a mouth as I want. Stamped steel lateral could be better, I guess.

Many questions on this little plane. At one time, it even had bright red painted handles.

As bought. Tag says it was marked down to $8. After a good, thorough clean up

And, after just a touch up on the iron

Not sure IF I have the edge correct, but seems to make some shavings.

and, after stripping the handles back to bare wood. LOT of RED paint on them.

So, do I have a designed “York Pitch” #3, or just an old cheapo that happens to clean up well??

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use


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sikrap

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#1 posted 02-28-2013 02:31 AM

The Dunlap are generally not highly regarded as planes go. I can’t tell you if that was a design feature. I can tell you that having a plane that takes nice shavings at a higher angle is going to come in very handy at some point.

-- Dave, Colonie, NY

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#2 posted 02-28-2013 12:12 PM

When I get home I’ll take a look at my #4 Dunlap to see if it has the same thing..memory says it’s at the same pitch as the rest of the herd..but..it’s been a while.
I do recall it sits on the shelf as it has several issues ;-(
+1 to Dave on quality of them, but then agaon Bandit you do tend to find slik purses in sows ears..lol

-- Glen, Vernon B.C. Canada

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#3 posted 02-28-2013 03:32 PM

Ok, so maybe a better grind on the iron? It is set at 25 degrees, since I did resharpen it when i got it home. Is there another “grind” that goes with the higher pitch planes? Maybe I can finish tuning this little guy up.

“foot print” of the rear handle, aka Tote, is longer than any of the other #3 totes I have. Doesn’t have a way for the “front bolt” some totes have, to be attached to the base. Just a nib sticking up into the tote’s base.

Adjuster yoke is not a casting. It is a folded piece of steel. Where it comes through the chipbreaker, it is in the shape of a “U”. This is a single piece of steel, bent to shape.

I will keep looking into this little plane’s “Issues”, and see IF it can be useful around the shop….

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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#4 posted 02-28-2013 03:47 PM

An excellent read from Brian Burns on double bevel sharpening.

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bandit571

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#5 posted 02-28-2013 04:47 PM

Compare the angle of these two plane’s irons

A Standard #3 is in front, the Dunlap is lined up behind it. Edges of each iron are linedd up. Would that be a York Pitch in the background?

A better look:

Very interesting…..

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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#6 posted 02-28-2013 05:19 PM

has the frog been modified?

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bandit571

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#7 posted 02-28-2013 05:56 PM

Not that i can tell.

All parts that came with this little plane, before clean-up began. Frog was painted a RED colour all over. Even the “bearing rails” underneath it were red. I did clean the red off the bearing surfaces, but that was it. Frog sit nice and solid, too. Frog bolts are alos quite long, but fit just about right. There is enough room under the frog, I could even add a “Frog Adjustment bolt” ala Stanley. IF I wanted to, that is. Not too crazy about the cap iron, would prefer a lever style, but it seems that this was the “Dunlap” Style.

Do I sharpen the iron at 25 degrees, or something different? Right now, it is just over 25 degrees.

Silk Purse Plane???

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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#8 posted 02-28-2013 06:20 PM

25 is were my York is at.

That’s cool if its original. You don’t see to many of these. I’ve never seen a vintage like it.

I’m not sure its a silk purse, but I wouldn’t sell it.

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#9 posted 03-01-2013 12:14 PM

Bandit, checked mine at home, actualy a number 5 size and YES ! There’s an air gap like yours
under froggie, I can put a flashlight in the throat area and see light from the back of the frog and the visable threads. Didn’t remember to check pitch on the “bi—h” but it sits in a herd of Stanley and MF guys and apears to be the same angle..check after work..sigh..

-- Glen, Vernon B.C. Canada

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#10 posted 03-01-2013 02:25 PM

I had a Fulton version of this red handled plane. The only things they had in common was the red handles and the QWest German Blade.

Frog is different, frog seat is different

Oh, and the cap irons are the same style, just a different logo…

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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#11 posted 03-01-2013 11:11 PM

My #5 has the same frog angle as the others, AKA Handyman, Baily et all..

-- Glen, Vernon B.C. Canada

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#12 posted 03-02-2013 04:04 PM

I sold that Fulton because the frog would move a bit. I might keep the Dunlap. Going to work on the edge a bit this weekend..

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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#13 posted 03-02-2013 09:24 PM

Ok, batteries are back on-line, camera is ready to go. A look at the frog areas on this Dunlap plane.

Base casting. The area is at an angle, and was machined that way. Everything slopes downhill towards the mouth opening.

Base of frog is flat, at least in regards to the raised rim. Cap iron did need a touch on the sander, to make it sit better on the iron. Bolts are extra long

taking a test drive, after a little work on the irons. Wood is an old piece of oak. Second plane is a “Companion” plane.

Not too bad a little plane…

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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sikrap

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#14 posted 03-03-2013 03:20 AM

Not bad at all. You could always hone at 30 and see how she works on some nice curly maple :)

-- Dave, Colonie, NY

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#15 posted 03-03-2013 03:54 PM

I have two Dunlops, a #4 and a 4 1/2. Neither have the elevated frog issue.
I’ll check the frog angle and see if my Fultons resemble yours too.

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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