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02-23-2013 12:55 AM

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Just sold my Dewalt DW735X planer for full asking price (faster than expected). I went to my local machinery shop and they sell a lot of General equipment. I inquired about 15 inch stationary planers and he said to stay away from anything made in China. He said if I could find one made in Taiwan, jump on it. He fixes a lot of the machinery and lately the 15” planers coming out of China (Powermatic, Jet, Grizzly, General, etc) have tons of issues, some not fixable at all. He has stopped selling 15” planers made in China and refuses to stock and sell them because of the high return rate. As we all should know, for many, many years these companies have been purchasing the same machinery from the Geetech factory in Taiwan and adding some accessories and different paint colors to differentiate them. It seems that now only the high end industrial machinery is being produced at Geetech and the less-expensive (and more accessible) hobbyist stuff has been farmed out to China. According to this gentleman who has been in the business for over 35 years, it is a night and day difference between the production quality. He advised me that the only option to purchase a 15” planer that will actually function as intended is the used market. He (and I) do not know of any 15” planers being produced in Taiwan currently. Do any of you?


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Shawn Masterson

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#1 posted 02-23-2013 01:26 AM

all machine are going to have their quirks. That is why I like to stick with older used machines I just got an older(80’s I think) 20” planer made by Chang Iron Works (CIW). when the guy gave me the manual he got from CIW the pix in it had jet emblems on it. I gave $675 for it with a static phase converter (yes it’s 3pz). I had to put bearings in the motor ($45), and clean-grease it up and it was good to go. maybe 3 hours of labor.
the way I see it with a used machine most of the bugs are usually worked out and any repairs needed are minimal, and the right price allows for repairs/upgrades. this purchase lead me to building a rotary 3pz converter, because the static just wasn’t enough, even with the added cost of the converter(about 250 for a 10HP model) I am still less then the cost of a new a new 15” planer and have more machine. this also opens the Pandora’s box to heavier/cheaper 3phz machine since I now have the ability to run up a 7.5HP 3pz motor.

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#2 posted 02-23-2013 01:42 AM

Thanks for passing this info along!

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#3 posted 02-23-2013 02:28 AM

I bought 718 woodmaster 3 years ago .Made in usa .I’m very happy with it

-- Bill Byron Center MI

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#4 posted 02-23-2013 02:45 AM

Thanks for the interesting insight. This doesn’t surprise me. You bring up a good point too—before buying it’s always a good idea to talk to someone who repairs them to find out which brands/models fare the best and worst.

I have no problem with older/used tools as long as replacement parts can still be found or made reasonably. Most of my tools I either inherited, our bought used. Shiny doesn’t always equal better.

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#5 posted 02-23-2013 02:59 AM

How much is the Woodmaster? I checked the website…it’s a moulder too. I filled in the quote form.

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#6 posted 02-23-2013 03:35 AM

Woodmaster is a lot of money but worth every penny. We own the 725 and paid 2000.00 for it in like new condition. Came with the upgraded 7.5 hp motor. Excellent buy for us. Definitely recommend the woodmaster. I plan to buy a couple more. I want two 712 units, one for moldings, another for gang ripping. Our 725 does it all and very well but I do prefer machines that stay set up for one task. One reason we have 4 shapers.

-- Jerry Nettrour, San Antonio, www.topqualitycabinets.net

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#7 posted 02-23-2013 06:40 AM

Maybe Oliver Machinery is from the Taiwan factory??? Not sure.

-- Wisconsin Wildcat

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#8 posted 02-23-2013 07:03 AM

Don’t know where you are located but can try machinerymax.com for a good used one.

-- In the end, when your life flashes before your eyes, will you like what you see?

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#9 posted 02-23-2013 07:04 AM

I’ll cast another vote for Woodmaster. It’s American made, high quality, and can serve as a molder, gang rip saw and drum sander as well. I have always wanted a drum sander but couldn’t justify the floor space for something that I would use so infrequently, but the Woodmaster converts over fairly quickly and doesn’t require any additional footprint. The design is quite ingenious.

-- PaulMayer, http://www.vernswoodgoods.com

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#10 posted 02-23-2013 12:46 PM

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#11 posted 02-23-2013 01:11 PM

My first reaction to that CL ad was” you got to be kidding”. A planer in that condition would not get anywhere near $800 of my money. That said, it wouldn’t be a bad planer once cleaned up, assuming it runs. I would think one in turnkey condition, and well maintained would bring maybe $600. Of course, prices vary widely across the nation, but that’s the way I’d see it.

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, we sent 'em to Washington.

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Shawn Masterson

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#12 posted 02-23-2013 02:24 PM

I agree with fred, he’s going to sit on it at that price. he should be some where around 500-600 in clean condition. I just sold my 5HP 912 folley & bellsaw for $400. I was kind of surprised to get it, but it was very clean and ready to go. the thing that gets me with name brand tool is the amazing similarity to the knock offs.
I saw this one and was going to offer him 200 in this shape. you know it a lot like the jet. http://southbend.craigslist.org/tls/3624435680.html
happy hunting

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#13 posted 02-23-2013 04:15 PM

He said if I could find one made in Taiwan, jump on it.”
He (and I) do not know of any 15” planers being produced in Taiwan currently.”

So ”He” is recommending something that may not even exist and is of unknown quality , but will be better than the ones made in China…... Strange , very strange.

”15” planers coming out of China (Powermatic, Jet, Grizzly, General, etc) have tons of issues, some not fixable at all.” Did he give you any real examples of the un-fixable issues ?

-- I'm absolutely positive that I couldn't be more uncertain!

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#14 posted 02-23-2013 05:02 PM

I had that same Jet model and would buy another in a heart beat if I could find one (at a reasonable price, which that one isn’t). It is a solid planer and I ran a considerable amount of lumber through it. In good condition the planer is worth $500-600.

-- Artisan Woodworks of Texas.... www.awwtx.com

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#15 posted 02-23-2013 05:03 PM

15” planers coming out of China (Powermatic, Jet, Grizzly, General, etc) have tons of issues, some not fixable at all.” Did he give you any real examples of the un-fixable issues ?

One example that stood out for me was 3 powermatics he went on service calls for. I’m not admittedly familiar with the construction of these, but the areas surrounding the cutterhead were mis-cast when in production. He had other examples as well (motor issues, etc.), but the problems started all at the same time and the consistent factor is country of origin.

He recommended going with an older used model. I’m not sure why I should cast suspicion on him as he could have easily sold me a brand-new Chinese-made planer. I think he was being brutally honest with me at the expense of a sale. I think he doesn’t want to come out for a service call when there is an issue. Obviously, it’s happened enough recently for him that he doesn’t want to waste his time. This leads me to wonder about the future of cast-iron stationary machines and being able to get them at the hobbyist level. The industrial machines will be around for awhile I think. Lucky for him, the Festool stuff is selling like crazy and he can’t keep enough in stock.

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