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Forum topic by Chris Wright posted 02-22-2013 02:33 PM 6734 views 1 time favorited 223 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Chris Wright

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02-22-2013 02:33 PM

Topic tags/keywords: delta prices

I just heard through a few channels that the new management who have taken over of Delta Machinery since they left Black & Decker/Stanley will be raising the prices of all their machinery a minimum of 30% on April 1st, 2013. I have yet to find out why, of course a company has the right to change the prices of their products but the new prices will put them out of a competitive price range. A few examples, the 46-460 Midi Lathe which retails for between $675 and $700 will go to just over $1100 and the Unisaw with 36” fence rail goes for a little over $3400 now will jump to almost $5500. As of yet I don’t know what replacement parts might change by, if at all, but if any of you have tried to order anything from them recently may have already found out it can take up to four months to get something from their warehouse. This news really saddens me because I feel that this will only force the company out of business and I grew up in a shop with almost all Delta/Porter Cable tools and I’d hate to see them disappear. I posted a comment on Delta’s Facebook page asking why the price hike but as expected, I got no reply. If anyone has any more information I’d love to hear it, also if I find any more I’ll update this post

-- "At its best, life is completely unpredictable." - Christopher Walken


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crank49

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#1 posted 02-22-2013 03:19 PM

You may as well get used to this.
Anyone who lived through the Carter years should recognize the trend.
Worshipers of Keynesian economics have just had 4 plus years to wreck our lives.
This begets the complete stagnation of business activity.
Then with no other choice to pay it bills, industry will raise prices.
This results in inflation.
Anyone remember the term “stagflation”.
It’s fixing to hit the fan and we have 4 more wonderful years of this to look forward to and enjoy.

-- Michael :-{| “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” ― A H

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needshave

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#2 posted 02-22-2013 03:30 PM

Chris,

I share your fears. I’m afraid Delta, if they do raise their prices, will have little to no chance of being competitive. I had heard the rumor, as well as the rumor they were just going to close down. So I have placed parts on order as a back up for my unisaw, But as you said, still waiting.

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#3 posted 02-22-2013 03:43 PM

I wonder if this has anything to do with Delta products disappearing from some retailers. For example, Woodcraft used to push the Delta midi lathe pretty hard. They were always running deals and featuring them. They also sold a lot of delta drill presses, bandsaws, and table saws. They sold all versions of the Unisaw on their website, and my local store was packed with delta machinery. It’s ALL gone

Even if you search the woodcraft website for “delta” now, there is a lunchbox planer, a benchtop mortiser, and a scroll saw. That’s all. No more saws, spindle sanders, jointers, drill presses, etc. ALL of it is gone.

That kind of sucks because I wanted that delta lathe. There is a new Jet offering that woodcraft carries that I will be looking at instead.

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#4 posted 02-22-2013 04:06 PM

Out of curiosity, I contacted Woodcraft, and that is confirmed. They dumped all delta products. Once the inventory of the 3 items is gone, that’s it.

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#5 posted 02-22-2013 04:10 PM

I’m in the process of upgrading my jointer, planer, and dust collector. Delta has been taken out of consideration due to the uncertaintity of future support.

-- Artisan Woodworks of Texas.... www.awwtx.com

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#6 posted 02-22-2013 04:37 PM

I’m not sorry to say “I told you so”. I mentioned that Delta was having problems in one of those interminable SawStop debate threads, and was immediately pooh-poohed.

I am sorry to see a good manufacturer like that start having troubles like this.

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#7 posted 02-22-2013 05:32 PM

Delta doesn’t have the market share it once did. They have excess supply of their products to sell…which means they aren’t going to produce new machines….meaning they need less people to actually make machines…meaning they must either lay off employees, raise the price for their machines, or both.

More companies do this daily…meaning more people out of work…more people saving the money they have…less people spending money…and more prices going through the roof.

Keynesians believe if the government spends money to give more people jobs that those people will be able to buy more Unisaws. But because people are out of jobs in the first place, the government has less tax revenue to spend, meaning they have to spend money they don’t have, and therefore increase the deficit.

And that makes the government increase taxes..and you and I have much less money to spend. Stupid.

It’s a death spiral, and those product makers without market share (meaning innovative and quality products…or cheap Chinese ones), will die off pretty quickly. I too believe we are only just beginning to see the carnage to follow.

Too bad…but in Delta’s case, they have nothing that would propel me to buy their products…unless I get one cheap on Craigslist. And that just makes matters worse for Delta. Demand for their products is bad enough as it is…and now we can just get what we need for cheaper on Craigslist.

It’s a mess.

-- jay, www.allaboutastro.com

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lumberjoe

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#8 posted 02-22-2013 05:37 PM

I was actually dead set on getting the Delta midi lathe very soon, and looking for a used Delta X5 vintage jointer. I have permanently crossed both off my list.

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#9 posted 02-22-2013 05:48 PM

I just ordered a Delta 18-900L 18-inch laser drill press this week, Amazon had a bunch of them and they sold out in a matter of days even though it cost hundreds more than similar tools from other manufacturers.

I did notice an extreme lack of Delta products for sale across multiple tool venders though, I used to see Delta everywhere now they are hard to find. I have to think Grizzly and like manufactures are putting a beat down on them.

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#10 posted 02-22-2013 05:57 PM

Worshipers of Keynesian economics have just had 4 plus years to wreck our lives.
This begets the complete stagnation of business activity.

Ahahahahaha! Oh, wait, you are serious!

Worshipers of supply-side “voodoo” economics (coined by a Republican, BTW) wrecked our economy and our lives 4 years ago.
This begat the complete destruction of business activity 4 years ago. It is just now coming back!

-- "Find out what you cannot do and then go do it!"

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#11 posted 02-22-2013 06:01 PM

Are economic policy soapboxes considered politics?

if not I whole heartily disagree! The only time our economy really prospers is when we have a strong middle class. They are the true source of demand.

There is no such thing as a “Job Creator,” its a myth, and the guy that keyed that term should be taken out behind the outhouse and put down. No business owner, private or public, hires anyone unless he cant meet the demand the product they are producing. Job creation comes from demand. Its true that you were never hired by a person or company that didn’t have significant wealth, but no one is out there giving out jobs with out having demand for more product.

Ever since we opened the sweetheart trade deals with Asia and NAFTA, the private sector of this economy,the major producers(Ford, Chevy, GE, Intel, Apple ect) have shown themselves to be poor stewards of economic growth. They care only about the quarter profits and no foresight. This has lead to a death spiral. People are being let go and companies are downsizing. Current employees are working like dogs and are “just happy” to have employment.

The control the government has is taxes, public works projects and tariffs. More public works grows the middle class and creates demand for more goods, this spurs economic development. Unfortunately we are sending all that spending money right out the door overseas because and American Manufacturing company cannot compete with a factory that creates goods in china.

With our current trend the only way we are going to stop hemorrhaging jobs is when the average wage for production workers match what the chinese are making + shipping cost + import tariffs. I don’t think that is a condition that anyone wants to see.

-- Brian

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#12 posted 02-22-2013 06:05 PM

I am not going to discuss my views on economics (see quote below) But since I have bought almost all of my tools used or American made (made in America not American company) I am not that concerned.

I guess we will see a lot more of those plywood home made drum sanders and jointers and such :)

-- Who is John Galt?

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#13 posted 02-22-2013 06:17 PM

Time to derail this thread and piss everyone off. Delta’s bread and butter was the Unisaw. The table saw is the heart of any big (and most small) shops. It’s a great saw. Why isn’t it selling?

SawStop

Yeah, that evil @sshole Steve Gass convinced everyone they need his technology and is pushing legislation to make sure everyone owns a saw stop!! What a jerk, look what he is doing to Delta, General, etc, right??

No. Steve actually had no intentions of making a table saw. He did come up with a good idea, and tried to market it to Delta, Craftsman, PM, etc. They didn’t just say no thanks, they said Get that stupid thing out of here, never come back here again, and we are going to make sure that never shows up on any tablesaw!

And they tried. For a long time, companies like delta had riders that said they would not attend trade shows if Gass/SawStop was there. They told many retailers they will pull their entire line of equipment if SawStop was carried.

What would you do in his shoes? You made a product you put your heart, soul, and life savings into. It actually works well and would save a lot of accidents – yet every major tool manufacturer is going far out of their way to make sure it never sees the light of day. He did what he had to, and that made him look like a communist jerk. The fact is SawStop outsells every other cabinet saw in the US buy a very large margin.

By not only dismissing new and exciting technology, but putting massive distance between your company and that technology, Delta (and others) started down the path of redundancy and obsolescence.

Price and politics aside, if the prize patrol showed up at your door with a brand new 3HP tricked out Sawstop PCS and a 3HP unisaw and said pick one, most would get the sawstop. Imagine how well a made in the USA unisaw with the sawstop technology would sell?

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#14 posted 02-22-2013 06:34 PM

Saying saw stop is the demise of the unisaw is, quite frankly, delusional. Delta’s problems stem from a disintegrating company, not an overpriced competitor.

I considered saw stop and chose another brand based solely on the fact the overall cost of ownership was too high compared to other offerings.

And if the prize patrol showed up, I’d take the unisaw. Not because I “hate” saw stop, but because the unisaw is actually a better value.

-- Artisan Woodworks of Texas.... www.awwtx.com

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#15 posted 02-22-2013 06:44 PM

I’m inclined to agree with you and I may grab that Unisaw, but the fact is we are in the minority. It is not delusional, it factors into the companies business strategy overall. Rather than innovate, they chose to stand behind their proven but stale designs in hopes brand recognition and reputation would carry them. In fact, that led to eventual failure.

The same can be said for a lot of other once dominant companies. RIM comes to mind. Blackberry DOMINATED smartphones. When Apple released the all touch screen iphone, they hung their hats on a tactile keyboard. Android came out with touchscreens and further dominated the market. Blackberry was a day late and 50$ short with the terrible Storm and Storm II. The world left them behind. Instead of a major player, they fill a niche role.

The same can be said for Delta. The unisaw was king, now it only fills a niche market segment.

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