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scottishbob

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02-18-2013 07:05 PM

Hi can anyone help me , I have recently fitted some MDF TV units, window seat and display cases for a client, they where fitted unpainted as the client wanted to finish them herself . (i am not the best painter anyway) now she is trying to get them sprayed , no painter is willing to spray them, they are all saying they should have been sprayed before they were fitted. they will hand paint alright, but the client is really wanting to have them sprayed. Can they be sprayed once fitted ? also will hand painting give a good finish?
thanks bob

-- Ireland, Galway .... fingers! "we dont sell them"


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Clint Searl

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#1 posted 02-18-2013 07:32 PM

Spraying is out of the question; no debate. Only a fool would do so.

They can be brushed to the same quality as spray. Any fool could do it.

-- Clint Searl....Ya can no more do what ya don't know how than ya can git back from where ya ain't been

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#2 posted 02-18-2013 07:40 PM

The painters are correct. They should have been painted before they were installed. Since the client did not want them painted before installation it is the client’s problem. Hopefully you got the unfinished part in writing.

I agree with Clint that it is possible to brush a finish and make it look like it was sprayed. I have not had any luck doing so.

I disagree with Clint that the outside could not be sprayed with them installed. The complication is overspray. If you could properly mask the entire area (say 3x or 4x the expected overspray area) it could be done. This would include the floor, windows, walls, and ceiling. I would use an hvlp sprayer. If you do this increase your fee and get a waiver saying you are not responsible for any overspray that gets on the room.

Good luck!

-- Jesse, Saint Louis, Missouri

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Clint Searl

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#3 posted 02-18-2013 07:58 PM

Thanks, Jesse. You made my point.

-- Clint Searl....Ya can no more do what ya don't know how than ya can git back from where ya ain't been

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404 - Not Found

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#4 posted 02-18-2013 07:59 PM

Can you take them out, spray them and reinstall? Just a thought.

I’ve had good success painting with mini foam rollers with oil based paints, but it does take a lot of time and patience.

I read recently that Milk Paint will dry without brush marks (it was suggested to use foam brushes for a flawless finish).

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Earlextech

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#5 posted 02-18-2013 08:37 PM

Any painter worth his salt can brush on a quality finish, but she’ll have to pay the guy/girl. You can’t get a minimum wage painter and expect a good finish. My feeling is she was trying to save a buck and now it’s backfired on her.

I suggest that you don’t get involved and don’t reccommend anyone or it will backfire on you too!
Been there, done that!

-- Sam Hamory - The project is never finished until its "finished"!

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DS

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#6 posted 02-18-2013 08:54 PM

I assume this is not a house under construciton and that the reason the painter is saying it can’t be sprayed is the potential for damage to other household contents.

If I were doing this and really wanted to spray it, I would need to setup an indoor floor-to-ceiling tent like the ones used when construction is done inside clean room facilities. Once the tent and proper exterior ventilation were established, yes, this could be sprayed indoors.

As a precaution, I would additionally cover, or remove, all nearbly furniture and carpets.

-- "Hard work is not defined by the difficulty of the task as much as a person's desire to perform it.", DS251

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scottishbob

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#7 posted 02-18-2013 09:36 PM

Thanks for the replys guys , if i was to take them out they prob would get damaged ,so not going down that road, so i have told her that, a good hand painted finish “done well” is just as good if not better than a sprayed one. there no pleasing some people !
Earlextech,, i think you hit the nail on the head.

-- Ireland, Galway .... fingers! "we dont sell them"

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#8 posted 02-18-2013 09:54 PM

I usually do, unless my thumb gets in the way!

-- Sam Hamory - The project is never finished until its "finished"!

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DS

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#9 posted 02-18-2013 09:58 PM

I often get requestes for unfinished pieces on the premise that they can save money by doing it themselves.

The way around this is to charge more for unfinished than for finished.
The reasoning is simple—the finish protects the piece. Without it, the potential for damage from poorly applied, or delayed application of the finish, is greater.

Also, I would hate for someone to see a piece that I made, only to be presented with a poor finish job. I guess that means I like to contol the finished product and the quality of what my name is associated with.

-- "Hard work is not defined by the difficulty of the task as much as a person's desire to perform it.", DS251

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#10 posted 02-18-2013 10:38 PM

Do you have any photos of the install?
I guess I’m a little braver (or more foolish) than most. I’ve sprayed many things after the install, before the days of having my shop. BUT, it must be thoroughly explained to the homeowner the precautions that must be taken to ensure no overspray problems are time intensive. The time involved to prep, exhaust, cover, clean-up etc. I always charged more for a spray job than hand applied because of this. The results were usually worth it.
As for being able to brush on a finish that’s as good as a sprayed finish…I’ve never seen one and I know painters that have claimed they can but never come through. There are always brush marks somewhere….if not everywhere. Of course, an inexperienced painter trying to spray can make a bigger mess. I’ve witnessed that too.

Edit: I have also come across painters that come up with every excuse why something should not be sprayed only to find out they don’t have a sprayer or have one and could not get the hang of it, i.e, previously described mess.

-- Gary; Marysville, MI...Involve your children in your projects as much as possible, the return is priceless.

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#11 posted 02-21-2013 02:25 AM

I just installed a desk in my house, soon to be in the projects feature. The top was such that it could not be finished before installation so I sprayed it.

Given its my own home, my own goof ups but I masked EVERYTHING off (Ceiling included) and sprayed. Im not a contractor, or a hire out, but it was alot of work, for me, I’d do it again (Already have with wainscoting, and stair rails) but I can see how labor wise that could run up the price, at least a day just in masking…

We had a guy spray our kitchen cabinets, and overspray got on our ceiling, we tried to paint it, but our ceiling was not painted just flat white drywall compound. Now we are looking at having to paint our entire ceiling to cover up the mistakes. Needless to say, we don’t think much of the guy who painted… probably better off not doing it…

But then… no risk, no reward? I don’t know.

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scottishbob

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#12 posted 03-07-2013 08:55 PM

Hi guys Here is a pic of the units unpainted . The customer found a painter that was willing to spray them in the end ,but she is not happy with color of them now , so i asked if she seen color before it was applied , she said she did not see the paint before hand !!, she told the painter she wanted them cream , which is what he put on them , but is more yellow than she expected also it’s not that great of a job, a bit patchy in places .

-- Ireland, Galway .... fingers! "we dont sell them"

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scottishbob

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#13 posted 03-07-2013 08:57 PM

I fitted the oak floor also

-- Ireland, Galway .... fingers! "we dont sell them"

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BinghamtonEd

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#14 posted 03-07-2013 09:08 PM

Looks like a beautiful job by you, and a pretty uninformed/dumb job on the customer’s part. Not even asking to see the color beforehand?

-- - The mightiest oak in the forest is just a little nut that held its ground.

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HoosierDude

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#15 posted 03-07-2013 09:23 PM

I think your client needs to see someone about her issues. :)

Those built-ins are gorgeous! Very nice work.

-- Paul Lyons

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