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Tony

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05-27-2007 09:35 PM

Hi to all you wood turners.

I want to turn a wine Goblet – the outside profile is not a problem, that is all done.

But when it comes to gouging out the inside of the goblet, where the importan stuff has to go, I just cannot cut the wood with the gouges I have.

What type of gouge should I be using for this – is there something special, or am just being unlucky

-- Tony - All things are possible, just some things are more difficult than others! - SKYPE: Heron2005 (http://www.poydatjatuolit.fi)


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#1 posted 05-27-2007 10:02 PM

Are you using a bowel gouge? A spindle gouge would work good for the outside.

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#2 posted 05-27-2007 10:06 PM

I did not know there was a difference. I have only ever turned spindles and such like. Thanks = I am going to a store tomorrow morning, I look up what they have for bowl gouges.

-- Tony - All things are possible, just some things are more difficult than others! - SKYPE: Heron2005 (http://www.poydatjatuolit.fi)

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#3 posted 05-27-2007 10:17 PM

You may want to get a video as well. There is a technique to it. Also, you will probably need a scraper.

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#4 posted 05-27-2007 10:26 PM

End grain hollowing is tough even with the right tool for the job. If the wood is wet, you can get away with a spindle gounge on end grain, but its certainly not my first choice. I prefer to start the hollowing with a bowl gouge, and then move to a round nosed scraper. I have alot of hollowing tools as well and with goblets, nothing works better than the termite. (my opinion) for jobs like that. However, no matter what, end grain hollowing is about the most difficult cutting to do anyway. Good luck. If you have a digital camera, take some pictures of the tools you are using, and the wood. Wayne can get you on the right track and I’ll keep track of this thread along with other turners..we should be able to get you rolling in the right direction.

Cheers!

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#5 posted 05-28-2007 04:01 AM

I recently made a wine glass out of cherry, I also recommend the termite, if your project is round, if not use a round nose scraper. Do you have a bowl steady? I showed one I made in my projects, if you go there you’ll see both the wine glass and home made bowl steady that works great. jockmike

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#6 posted 05-28-2007 04:18 AM

Thanks for mention of the bowl steady, jock…I’m headed over to read about it. Tony, you can get a termite at Oneway, or at Woodcraft. Oneway makes it. The great thing about it is that they have a great way of using a router to sharpen it and give you the jig and everything. It’s worth a peak as it’s not a fast cutter like the Woodcut Proforme, but it’s a very accurate and smooth cutter. I use the woodcut on bigger projects as it really augers out the wood. The termite is really nice on smaller things.

Cheers!

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#7 posted 05-29-2007 07:25 PM

Thanks for all the comments guys

I purchased a couple of scrapers at my local store, but theyt did not have any bowl gouges. They have been ordered and should arrive at the weekend.

As for the termite, it looks a great tool, I may order one the next time I get some equipment from the US.

I came up with a comprimise for the goblet, I used my drill chuck in the Lathe tail stock – fitted a Forstner bit and removed most of the waste from the goblet. Then using a spindle gouge and scraper refined the inside.

The result was far from perfect, but it help in the assesment as to feasability of making goblets – not as easy as I first thought.

-- Tony - All things are possible, just some things are more difficult than others! - SKYPE: Heron2005 (http://www.poydatjatuolit.fi)

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#8 posted 05-29-2007 07:28 PM

Good idea Tony. I bet a lot of turners do some pre-boring and such before actually doing the turning. I know they make the systems that allow you to make multiple bowls from a single piece of wood. Basically, it cores out the center, but of course leaves it intact so you can use it for your next bowl. They look like great tools, but I have not needed one yet.

I looked at the termite too, and am considering purchasing it. Woodcraft has a nice kit that includes almost all the heads, the handle, a sharpener, and holder for a nice price. A good way to start.

-- Bill, Turlock California, http://www.brookswoodworks.com

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#9 posted 05-29-2007 10:19 PM

Tony: I use this set up to bore out the centers of most cylinders then switch to a bowl gouge or similar device to finish it out.

Cheers
Bob
Forstner in spindle

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#10 posted 05-30-2007 01:57 AM

I found a MT 2 Drill chuck for a lathe at Sears on close out a while back. I think it was about $10. Always pays to check the clearance isle at Sears.

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#11 posted 05-30-2007 03:23 AM

That’s a good idea, Bob…that should go pretty fast with uniform pressure on the piece and chuck…it should make for less chance of orbiting the piece in the early hollowing stages where I tend to get a little greedy with my cuts.

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#12 posted 06-19-2007 09:21 AM

Tony, I’ve done it with a narrow parting tool, but it is a scary process. You must keep the angle just right to avoid a catch. I use it and a round nose scrapper to dig out most of it, then come behind it with a Fostner Bit to clean up the center.

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#13 posted 06-19-2007 09:16 PM

When I made the cannister set, I made a bowl scraper out of an old flat file. I wanted fairly square bottom, so I ground it like this. You can grind to any shape you wish. I’ve used this on quite a few bowls, & vases.

Heres a couple of images.

-- -** You are never to old to set another goal or to dream a new dream ****************** Dick, & Barb Cain, Hibbing, MN. http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/gallery/member.php?uid=3627&protype=1

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#14 posted 06-20-2007 09:42 PM

Dick – thanks for the suggestion – I had already tried something like that for use on a drill press, before I got a lathe – I must keep my eyes open for some more old files, I can make a complete set of custom scrapers for next to nothing.

ALL – I got my termite, Oneway chuck and other goodies – all I need now is to learn to use it all. The first attempts with the Termite were disastrous!! Cutting the end grain of Beech is not so easy – so I tried “green” Silver Birch, a little easier – but not what I was expecting.
So back to the “Drawing Board” or rather the internet and start to read-up on the basics of wood turning again – Isn’t life full of little joyful moments!

-- Tony - All things are possible, just some things are more difficult than others! - SKYPE: Heron2005 (http://www.poydatjatuolit.fi)

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#15 posted 06-20-2007 09:55 PM

Tony, what problems are you having with the Termite? Can I help?

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