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woody1492

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433 days ago

Topic tags/keywords: teds woodwork scam fraud lumber jocks

Fellow LumberJocks
I was doing a search of my projects today and found the website below. It was good to see that my work has made it to several sites.
http://www.woodworkhut.com/retirement-communities-pictures/
When I clicked my retirement table it brought me to the following link. http://www.tedswoodworking.com/
There are several works from fellow Lumber Jocks on the same page. I for one did not subscribe to his so called plans and my work is original. Is there something that can be done to stop his use of LumberJocks content on his site? Just wanted you all to know that this guy is using our original works for profit.

Woody1492


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poopiekat

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#1 posted 433 days ago

Be prepared for replies from several members who will say that it’s your fault for posting your work on the internet. Bad enough there are thieves out there, but there are people who make it clear that they approve of the practice of ‘scraping’, that is, taking someone elses’ work and posting it, either as their own, or for-profit. Let’s wait and see how others respond.

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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ShaneA

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#2 posted 433 days ago

This guy is a member here isn’t he? That picture looks familiar.

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Dan'um Style

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#3 posted 433 days ago

Interesting topic. I have a similar story , but I put this on my watch list and will post again later when when the ball gets rolling on this one.

-- keeping myself entertained ... Humor and fun lubricate the brain

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runswithscissors

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#4 posted 433 days ago

It is my understanding that creative work is protected by copyright. You don’t even have to register your work to have this coverage. It’s much better protection than a patent, which is easily gotten around. Are there any LJ attorneys who could weigh in on this?

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TCCcabinetmaker

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#5 posted 433 days ago

I can’t see anything other the front page pictures at the moment.

-- The mark of a good carpenter is not how few mistakes he makes, but rather how well he fixes them.

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Clint Searl

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#6 posted 433 days ago

Plagiarism is the sincerest form of flattery. There’s nothing that can be done.

-- Clint Searl.............We deserve what we tolerate

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tefinn

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#7 posted 433 days ago

Plagiarism is the sincerest form of flattery.

It’s also illegal!

-- Tom Finnigan - Measures? We don't need no stinking measures! - Hmm, maybe thats why my project pieces don't fit.

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RVroman

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#8 posted 433 days ago

Legal or not I think it is an unfortunate reality. As soon as you put something out there, physically or on the web, there are those that will copy it or lift the idea. Granted in my mind one creating plans from another’s work and selling them are in a very different category than making a similar project.

That said, I am going to play devil’s advocate for a minute. What are the chances Disney was paid a royalty for this? http://lumberjocks.com/projects/79679

Is it really any different?

-- Robert --- making toothpicks one 3x3x12 blank at a time!

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TCCcabinetmaker

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#9 posted 433 days ago

Don’t give enough info out to where people can figure out your dimensions. Also don’t give enough info out to where people can figure out your processes….

-- The mark of a good carpenter is not how few mistakes he makes, but rather how well he fixes them.

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tefinn

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#10 posted 433 days ago

Royalties only need to be paid if the items are being sold. If you sell copywritten or trademarked material without paying royalties it’s theft of property.

Steve Ramsey did an expose of Ted’s Woodworking

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M292-EA6k9s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2JZxL_mhJY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVxXzCxZI7c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr8K-Q2Y6wA

It turns out that alot of these plans are lifted directly from books, magazines and woodworking sites without even trying to disguise that fact.

And now it’s invaded LJ’s http://lumberjocks.com/tooonyg

-- Tom Finnigan - Measures? We don't need no stinking measures! - Hmm, maybe thats why my project pieces don't fit.

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Randy_ATX

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#11 posted 433 days ago

I’ve seen complaints in the past about Teds woodworking:
http://www.woodworkingformeremortals.com/2010/07/fight-woodworking-scams.html

-- Randy -- Austin, TX by way of Northwest (Woodville), OH

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RVroman

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#12 posted 433 days ago

“Royalties only need to be paid if the items are being sold.”

I am not a lawyer, nor did I sleep at a holiday inn last night, and also realize I am only playing devil’s advocate, I in no way support any type of copying…..

That said, I am not so sure about the having to be sold part of this statement. If I make something that includes a copyrighted item, then I am not buying an item with that “thing” for which the owner would be paid. As such it seems it would represent damage and loss of income to the owner.

For example if I make a ton of games, memorabilia, etc. of various college or pro athletic teams, and give them away, then those individuals are not buying things and therefore no money goes back to the team/league.

I do not think it is any different than the fact that I cannot copy something for my class and give it away, as it means they do not have to buy the book or journal. On the same token look at the copyright statement at the beginning of any DVD where it states copying is illegal, even if there is no monetary gain.

Again, just my non legal opinion, and if someone is taking things from here and then selling the plans, that is inexcusable. But I also think other copyright issues need to be considered when the discussion comes up.

-- Robert --- making toothpicks one 3x3x12 blank at a time!

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tefinn

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#13 posted 433 days ago

Randy – Check out the videos Steve did that I linked in my last post.

-- Tom Finnigan - Measures? We don't need no stinking measures! - Hmm, maybe thats why my project pieces don't fit.

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DevilDoc

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#14 posted 433 days ago

maybe we should start watermarking our pictures we upload with a Lumber Jocks Seal or something.

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StumpyNubs

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#15 posted 433 days ago

Ted’s Woodworking is illegal. Original woodworking design as a form of art is protected by copywright law. That doesn’t cover all of the plans since I assume a lot of the jigs are pretty common designs. But furniture, etc, is covered. You can not build it, even for your own use. I know people do it, but that’s the law.

”Ted” also is guilty of stealing countless photos or people’s work which appear on the site without permission. That’s illegal too.

The DVD contains thousands of images taken from woodworking magazines and other similar sources. Scanning those images and selling them is illegal.

”Ted” has false testimonials, including one from “American Woodworker Magazine” on his site. He has made up stuff like “The Woodworking Association’s Reader’s Choice Award”. The entire site is full of made up crap about a product that is not even close to what’s advertised, even if it were legal.

”Ted” himself doesn’t even exist. His photo is a common one used all over the internet by companies who want an image of a bearded man. It’s an overseas scam, and it’s been proven so time and again.

Now one of “Ted’s: shills is peddling the stuff here on LJ’s. I say everyone go to his page and tell him how you feel about this scam!

-- It's the best woodworking show since the invention of wood... New episodes at: http://www.stumpynubs.com

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