Looking to buy my first table saw and have been scouring CL… but I just dont know what to be looking for and you guys have been amazingly helpful. I live in Tulsa and a couple of these would require some travel. Wanting something equivalent to the newer Ridgid R4512… which is what I will end up with if I get impatient.
Loren's spot on IMO. #2 looks like a Delta contractor saw with a Unifence (nice fence). Could make for a nice saw….see what they want for it. Once you get into the $350 range or more, a new saw has some merit, but the Unifence is a nicer fence than any new saw under $800 or so.
I would make #2 a lowball offer on the whole shop and be willing to negotiate up a little, keep the saw and peddle out the rest with a goal of ending up with a free saw. Having dealt with estates before both as a buyer and seller, I feel quick and easy is what almost everyone wants. Of course you must be prepared for the seller to get POED at your low ball offer if he does walk away.
The above posters are right. #2 is the only one worth looking at. I personally would expand my search to a wider area and find a better saw for the same money. I saw a Delta unisaw here in Ma. on Cl recently for $600.
I agree w/ all that has been said, also look at the bandsaw that seller #2 has, It is hard to tell from the pics but if you could make a deal on it too I would take them both.
The Rockwell Motorized Saw (#1) is junk. Don't waste your time on one if it was free. #3 might be an okay deal but the estate sale (#2) could be the best opportunity. -Jack
The Grizzly is a 3 phase, so that will have to be taken into consideration.
Cabinet saws are very practical for home shops, so we'll put that myth in the toilet where it belongs. Keep looking at Craigslist. #2 might be a good deal, but it appears they want to sell that as a package. If they are willing to separate, that delta is worth $200 tops but more like $150. Quality saws come up on a regular basis, if you are not in a rush, a better deal will come along.
Pretty good consensus on #2, I'll inquire about it. I am starting a shop (for the first time) so a good deal on a package is what I am looking for. And I saw that Griz… but it is probably too much saw for me and my needs… and 5hp 3 phase, which I would rather not have to deal with. Thanks fellas.
Any tips on how to quickly discern on whether a saw fits into that hybrid type R4512 kinda slot? I see a ton of Craftsmans all the time, but have a hard time knowing which ones falls into that slot right below cabinet but above bench.
You might check around for a Craftsman Model 113 in your area. It seems like everywhere I have traveled there are always some of them for sale. They are a good saw and with a little bit of upgrading could be the only saw you will ever need. I used one for 5 years and never had any issues. The only reason I upgraded was because i needed more HP.
The one on the tulsa CL was the first one I bought. Did what I wanted it to while I was learning. It would bog down and trip when I was sending wood through it, but that's probably cause I didn't know about feed rate and a sharp blade.
Once the motor went out, I found one like the OKC CL shows. It's an older (maybe 80's) saw and I love it. Alot of us have those (although some may not admit it ) It's a great saw, and with a quality fence and some fine tuning can make an excellent saw. And it's a good price too and a little closer.
Just talked with the man about http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/tls/3569585605.html and he is clearing out his dad's shop and said he could go as low as $900 for it all and is willing to deliver it to Tulsa. I'm tempted. He says his dad still has a whole bunch in his shop, such as all the different router bits, forstner bits and router table. I have about a $1200 budget so $900 would just about clean me out. What do you guys think? It seems like the best deal I have come across… and also the easiest. Is this setup worth it?
To me the Ryobi stuff, rigid router, and HF dust collector would have no value. The table saw is worth $200 and the band saw about the same. The Ryobi bench top tools are not accurate or sturdy and may cause you more frustration.
I'm going to bite here and give you my Honest opinion…
I did the same thing when I first got into woodworking. I bought a whole shop of small tools for $1000. At the time I was extremely excite and thought I had a good deal. The only problem was that within that first year I had out grown all the tools except the table saw and router. You will get sick of that small jointer quick if you really start getting onto some projects. If I had it to do over again I would have bought what I needed piece by piece and got something that I was going to use long enough to get my money out of. I ended up selling or giving away most of the small tools as I found their limitations and needed something either bigger or with more power.
Again, this is only my opinion, but for 900 bucks you could find a good TS, Jointer, Planer, and probably a few other tools that would last you a few years before you feel the need to upgrade.
Thanks Rob and Samurai… I need people to temper my excitement. I have been doing nothing but tool and project research since I caught this bug, and I have no tools to use… so I am going a bit crazy. I am doing my best to be patient and get good deals, but it is very hard when you don't have the expertise to no the good from the bad.
$900 w/ delivery?
IMO, the delta table saw is worth $300, and looks pretty nice. The bandsaw appears to be a delta, and would be $250-300. Of course these figures assume the machines are in pretty good+ condition. Locality is another issue. The Tulsa CL probably isn't as active as the Chicago Cl (for example). That said, this deal might be about as good as you'll get in your area.
The problem is that the rest of the gear is its Harbor Freight and Ryobi. Pretty "ho-hum" in terms of quality and performance. The tiny dust collector isn't much better than your average shopvac. The router and scrollsaw probably work OK- but just ok. My prediction is that you'll want to upgrade from those in the near future. I also see little reason to own a scroll saw if you have a quality bandsaw. A scrollsaw is nice if you plan to do a lot of scroll work or pattern design. But in that case, you'd probably opt for a nicer scrollsaw than that Ryobi.
Bottom line is that $900 is probably fair- considering the delivery from Dallas to Tulsa. But while you'll likely love the table and band saws, I doubt you'll be over the moon for the other stuff.
I'd try to work a deal for only the TS and BS. But if you could get the whole package for $700-750ish, I might consider it.
I bought the Craftsman 10" contractor saw at sears for 5 bills and,IMHO, it fits between a bench TS and a cabinet. With an upgraded blade it does fine work and setup very well for what it is. The miter slot and fence are also very good. I have review out there if you want go look at it. I too am looking for tools for my shop but the more I see, the more Ii think, "man, for 2 or 3 more bills I could get a new one". Maybe I'm just too picky.
Nothing wrong with that school of thought Marty. It definitely sometimes makes more sense to just buy new. But I bought a:
113 Table saw and upgraded it with a Delta T2
Ridgid 14" Bandsaw
Delta 6" jointer (floor standing)
Grizzly floor standing drill press
All for about $600. There is a ton of value in used machinery. Plus I can easily sell these machines for about as much as I paid for it - not that I intend to.
So the whole thing for $900 delivered? I'm sure he's a great guy, but I don't know if I'd pay all up front. Would hate to see you get taken like that. If he's willing to negotiate and has a shop full of other stuff, may be worth your time to take a trip down there and look at it all.
Along the way, you'd be passing through OKC and have all of Big D to look through.
Yeah the stuff actually originated in OKC, but in an effort to clean out his dad's shop he moved it down to Dallas, and is coming back up for a second load. So that's why he was willing to deliver it. I don't know that he is willing to break up the set really though, so it might just not work out. I know all the pieces aren't great, but if I could get him to agree to $750 I might do it. I also have to figure in how much gas will cost me to piece everything together from different sources. AHHHHH, why can't this just be easy?
aside from the BS and TS the HF dust bomb may be handy but the rest of it is junk
I agree 400 tops delivered
I am in northern Indiana and I see 5HP 3 phase delta cabinet saws for 500 all the time.
I got a planer with a static phase converter that was a breeze to set up and new the converter was $50 on ebay
first time I ever hooked one up and it took me 15 min. http://southbend.craigslist.org/tls/3563749275.html
I would be all over this one If I didn't have my PM66
happy hunting
Thanks! I've sent him a message, I'll report back with the info.
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