| Forum topic by Purrmaster | posted 106 days ago | 576 views | 0 times favorited | 15 replies | ![]() |
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106 days ago |
I figured I should christen the new joinery forum with a question. Is there any real difference in strength between a dowel join with straight grooved dowels vs those made with spiral cut dowels? I ask because I’ve got some fairly long cut off pieces that I want to join end to end to make another board. I was planning on using dowels. I intend to glue the makeshift board onto another board so there will eventually be an edge grain to edge grain joint. |
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#1 posted 106 days ago |
I suspect not, but await the answers. They’re both strong joints that I’ve used successfully. -- Russell Pitner Hixson, TN 37343 bassboy40@msn.com |
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#2 posted 106 days ago |
The Spiral… -- Few folks really know how to maximize the potential of their tools! |
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#3 posted 106 days ago |
+1 for HandTooler. |
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#4 posted 106 days ago |
In some of the cutting board I’ve made I just buy dowel rod, cut it to whatever length I need and scrape a knife along it in a few places. The scrapes give room for the glue bond. -- Improvise.... Adapt...... Overcome! |
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#5 posted 106 days ago |
I don’t see that there wood be enough difference to worry about so long as the two dowels you were comparing were made out of the same wood and were accurately made. But I really don’t know the answer to be honest. helluvawreck aka Charles -- If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau |
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#6 posted 106 days ago |
If your concerned about strength there are much stronger joints than using dowels. -- W James Brokenbourgh Custom furniture maker http://artisticwoodstudio.com/ |
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#7 posted 106 days ago |
I believe the spiral is to allow room for glue. Not really sure how successful that is. I’ve always just used whatever I have on hand. -- Rich;) -"Dada make a big mess?" "Yes Dada made a big mess." |
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#8 posted 106 days ago |
Wood Handbook—Wood as an Engineering Material says that “glue joints should have a smoothness the equivalent of being sanded with 220 grit sand paper.” That’s pretty smooth. The glue itself doesn’t give much strength, it has to bond the fibers of the two pieces being joined. I just use smooth dowels and glue and they work fine. +1 a1Jim. -- Tim-- http://www.tmuli.com |
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#9 posted 106 days ago |
Scarf would be easier and stronger. -- -- Rick M. |
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#10 posted 105 days ago |
Can a scarf joint be achieved with a table saw or a miter saw? |
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#11 posted 105 days ago |
Dallas said In some of the cutting board I’ve made I just buy dowel rod, cut it to whatever length I need and scrape a knife along it in a few places Oh Dallas the argument is made for a lathe in the shop. Alistair -- excuse my typing as I have a form of parkinsons disease |
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#12 posted 105 days ago |
Can a scarf joint be achieved with a table saw or a miter saw? Easily, I make them all the time. I built a very simple jig for my table saw that rides in the miter slot and has an adjustable angled fence. The fence pivots on the side closest to the blade and a series of holes on the opposite end allows you to adjust the angle. A cut off nail pins the fence into the holes. Basically it’s a small taper jig. -- -- Rick M. |
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#13 posted 105 days ago |
I was always of the opinion that the grooves were to allow glue to escape when putting the dowel into a closed hole. Otherwise the hydraulic pressure will make them hard to install and they sometimes want to ‘back out’. -- " I'll try to be nicer, if you'll try to be smarter" gfadvm |
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#14 posted 105 days ago |
That was my understanding also Andy -- Improvise.... Adapt...... Overcome! |
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#15 posted 105 days ago |
and also my understanding Andy and Dallas. try to put a joint together with a smooth dowel that fits the hole. Add glue and push that together. Not me. |
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