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melliott

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01-26-2013 12:15 AM

Picked up a bailey No 5 hand plane that is in good condition. It is complete and has very little rust on it. Well going through the handplanes of your dreams thread has me wanting it to look like new. I have a sandblasting cabinet and was wondering if its ok to blast the cast iron to get rid of any rust and old paint. I wouldnt think it could hurt it but I want to make sure.
Thanks…..........Mike

-- Mike


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#1 posted 01-26-2013 12:51 AM

I’ve sandblasted a lot of them. Here is my restore blog, http://timetestedtools.wordpress.com/bench-plane-restore-the-dw-way/

And look through my restores.

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.com

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#2 posted 01-26-2013 02:54 AM

Thank you…lots of good information and a nice read

-- Mike

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#3 posted 01-26-2013 03:58 AM

sandblasting will destroy all wht is valuable about an old tool. Even tools that are not that old.
I will avoid at all costs a destructive and coarse process like that.
Do you have any pics about your plane?

-- Nature is my manifestation of God. I go to nature every day for inspiration in the day's work. I follow in building the principles which nature has used in its domain" Frank Lloyd Wright

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#4 posted 01-26-2013 06:42 PM

I can post up a pic a bit later…. out and about with my family right now.

-- Mike

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#5 posted 01-26-2013 09:17 PM

If “It is complete and has very little rust on it”, and really shouldn’t need sandblasting. I’d save that for the basket cases. Cleaning and sharpening is a good start.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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#6 posted 01-26-2013 09:29 PM

I’ve had success with the following:

Lay a relatively thing rag on a very flat surface and soak it in ‘Rust Off’.

Be sure the blade is retracted and set the plane down on the rag for a minute or two.

Take several ‘super coarse’ 3M scrub pads and staple them to a piece of plywood.

Use the plane on the scrub pad ‘mock-up’ as if you were planing wood.

Repeat as necessary…

I’ve cleaned up several old planes this way and it works well.

Good luck…

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#7 posted 01-26-2013 09:33 PM

Here is how I bought it. No pic of the bottom but it is rust free

-- Mike

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#8 posted 01-26-2013 09:41 PM

A nice low knob #5. I’d clean it up to see what the japanning looks like. I’m not suggesting you strip it, its just to hard to tell until its cleaned up, but if it has chipped or missing japanning, the only way to fix it is to strip it.

Refinishing that plane will not only NOT hurt the value, if its done right, it will increase the value.

Everything else you need is on my blog.

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.com

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#9 posted 01-26-2013 09:53 PM

I paid $30 for it. From what I saw on ebay, I didnt steal it or get taken. Is there something to use to clean it up before I get carried away with a full restoration.

-- Mike

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#10 posted 01-26-2013 09:59 PM

Anything really. Soap and water, wd-40, a good stiff brush. Just get the gunk off to see what she really looks like.

You’re right about the $30, but it will serve you well for as long as you will need it.

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.com

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#11 posted 01-27-2013 01:31 AM

Mike, in restauration, all experts agree in one thing: do not make on the plane anything that can not be reversible. What a beautiful plane!

-- Nature is my manifestation of God. I go to nature every day for inspiration in the day's work. I follow in building the principles which nature has used in its domain" Frank Lloyd Wright

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#12 posted 01-27-2013 02:56 AM

I saw this really dirty, rusty Stanley No5. I knew from all my research the past year that it was old due to the low knob and no ring around that knob, plus the key hole cap lever and patent dates. Thank God for the Rexmill website and its type study. This thing looked shot, but I figured I could get a part or two for my other Bailey’s so I bought it for $2.

I went out and bought some Evapo-Rust. This stuff works miracles. I first washed all the part, sans wood, in the sink with warm soapy water and then into the Evapo they went. After a couple hours and some minor scrubbing in the solution with a green pad, the stuff came out beautiful. The metal is a bit greyed, but I think with some light sanding it would come out, but I am happy as is with this one.

I washed it again to get the E-Rust off and put the parts in a low temp oven just to dry completely. I know I read that somewhere. After that I waxed all the parts and reassembled it. I had to glue the tote together, it was broken in half.

This thing looks pretty good for being a type 11, 92-102 years old. Though the black Japanning is not 100% there is enough left that I would not want to strip it and repaint. I would rather it stay original.

I may refinish the knob and tote someday and work on getting the metal back to original color. That is the one downer with the EvapoRust.

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#13 posted 01-27-2013 05:23 AM

Ok…I took the plane apart and did some minor hand cleaning. Turns out its a 5 1/2 and not a 5. It has the same date markings as the one in the photos above.

-- Mike

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#14 posted 01-27-2013 02:07 PM

Mike, $30 for a type 11 #5 1/2 is a pretty good deal. A #5 is quit common and can be found really cheap. A #5 1/2 is less common. Not really rare but less common. Its a great find.

Here is mine. I paid $5 for it. (This is the only hand plane I’ve restored I put a hock iron on, So I’m looking for a v logo 5 1/2 iron.)

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.com

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#15 posted 01-27-2013 02:12 PM

Also, I have some reference links on this blog, http://lumberjocks.com/donwilwol/blog/24092 with several links to dating a plane. You may want to check out the mega chart and verify yours is a type 11 (if you care). Type 11’s typically had the number stamped behind the tote, and I can’t see that in your pictures.

Note it wasn’t uncommon for Stanley to use parts from one year (or after changes) to the next, so that’s why its called a type study. It’s not set in stone.

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.com

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