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Forum topic by DIYaholic posted 01-18-2013 02:29 PM 1109 views 0 times favorited 19 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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DIYaholic

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01-18-2013 02:29 PM

Topic tags/keywords: question tablesaw motor replaacement 113298030 craftsman ts ts

I have a Craftsman 113.298030 1HP TS that I got off CraigsList a year ago. Yesterday it gave up the Magic Smoke!!! It now needs a new motor.

Just the facts Ma’am!:
I paid $125.00 for the saw.
It came with:

Vega 26” Utility fence ($329.99 new)

Ridgid Herc-U-Lift mobile base ($133.54 new)

I Added (spent):
Blade Gaurd Assm: $53.45 + ship
Gaurd Support: $17.80 + ship
Machined Pulleys: $27.00 + ship
Link Belt: $24.99 + ship
PALS Alignment: $19.99 + ship
Emergency STOP Paddle switch: $24.99 + ship

Grand Total (actually spent, including TS): $311.22 (+ ship)

There are several options that I can consider.
1) New HF 1HP replacement about $150.00
2) New HF 1-1/2HP replacement about $160.00
3) New “quality” 1HP or 1-1/2HP motor about $250.00 to $300.00
4) Craigslist used 113 TS, for the motor about $100.00 to $150.00
5) CraigsList used saw upgrade, about $250.00 to $400.00
6) New saw $? ? ?.? ?

Considerations:

I have use of a DeWalt 744 until a decision &/or parts/saw arrives.
I had planned on a TS upgrade (riving knife) in about 5 years.
Options 1,2 & 3 get me up & running quickly.
Options 4,5 & 6 require research & time.
Current TS has a splitter, but NO riving knife!
My tax refund is due in a few/several weeks (? ? $500.00 to $700.00 ? ? was slated for flat panel TV & a tablet).
I can reuse the fence & base, in addition to ”Parting Out” old TS parts.

I am looking for input, insights and other alternatives, from the great minds here on LJs!!!

What say you???

-- Randy-- I may not be good...but I am slow! If good things come to those who wait.... Why is procrastination a bad thing?


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Gene Howe

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#1 posted 01-18-2013 02:45 PM

HF @ 160 would be my choice.

-- Gene 'The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.' G. K. Chesterton

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Kreegan

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#2 posted 01-18-2013 03:00 PM

Yeah, I’m with Gene. Get the new one from HF.

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DIYaholic

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#3 posted 01-18-2013 03:44 PM

Guys,
Thanks for the input. I will take it under advisement!!!
You were supposed to tell me to buy a NEW SAW, but an honest answer/advise is always better and much more appreciated!!!

-- Randy-- I may not be good...but I am slow! If good things come to those who wait.... Why is procrastination a bad thing?

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bandit571

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#4 posted 01-18-2013 03:46 PM

Spend just what you need to get THAT saw up and running. Then, you will have more $$$$ for other toys, er, toys…

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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JL7

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#5 posted 01-18-2013 03:50 PM

Unless it’s an emergency, and it sounds like it’s not….....wait for the right deal on CL…....whether it’s in the form of a motor or a complete saw…...you’ll know it when you see it…...

I agree with Bandit to the extent that you’ll never get your money back out of the current saw….....

Patience grasshopper!

-- Jeff - I have not failed. I've just found 10,002 ways that won't work.

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JayT

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#6 posted 01-18-2013 04:01 PM

Personally, I’d have a hard time spending more than the value of the saw on just a motor.

I would lean toward waiting and finding a good used upgrade saw. Since many CL listings out there have less than stellar fences, you might be able to find one that has a solid cabinet & motor but needs a fence upgrade (or even is missing the fence entirely). Those can be good bargaining points for pricing.

In the meantime, if a great deal pops up on a solid used motor, you could snag it.

-- "My concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God's side, for God is always right." Abraham Lincoln

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ShaneA

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#7 posted 01-18-2013 04:05 PM

I hate the magic smoke….lol. Good luck.

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boxcarmarty

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#8 posted 01-18-2013 04:29 PM

Sounds good Randy. Good luck with that…..

-- My mind is like lighting, one brilliant flash, then its gone.....

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#9 posted 01-18-2013 04:35 PM

Discussions about Craftsman 113’s have been coming up here a lot lately. That’s actually a pretty damned good saw. One of the things I like best about the older belt-driven Craftsman saws is the fact that you can replace the motor without trashing the entire saw.

And yours is tricked out pretty well right now with a decent fence and Herc-U-Lift base. I would simply replace the motor and keep sawing.

-- "Find out what you cannot do and then go do it!"

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patron

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#10 posted 01-18-2013 05:29 PM

get the motor
fix the saw
use it
find a bigger better
when the pressure is off

i got 4 tablesaws
3 planers
5 bandsaws
3 jointers
most waiting for the bigger shop
(in progress)

when i get moving on a project
most are ‘dedicated’ for some specific cut/work
and going to a different tool
is the best way to make any changes in needs

like clamps
you can’t have to many tools

-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

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toolie

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#11 posted 01-18-2013 05:29 PM

unfortunately, +1 to the replace the motor sentiments. i looked at that HF motor for my c-man, and my motor runs fine. unless you like the ridgid 4512 and can get a local HD to honor a HF “20% off any single item” coupon (net cost drops to $400). then it’s a $240 incremental cost over a HF 1.5 hp motor for a NIB guaranteed, LSA eligible, 10”, 1.5 hp dual voltage motor, CI,....... well, you get the idea. then you could part out the old saw (i’ve sold the h-lifts for $70 plus shipping a couple of times) and if you kept the vega, that OEM 4512 fence would fetch at least $50 -100. that’s > 1/2 of the marginal cost for the 4512 .

i’m partial to the 113 saws, but if you’ve got the patience for a part out, like th e4512 and can get the 4512 for $400, you might be able to effectively get a new 4512 for the cost of the HF motor.

-- there's a solution to every problem.......you just have to be willing to find it.

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DIYaholic

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#12 posted 01-18-2013 06:39 PM

All great advise!

Bandit,
I hear ya. I just seem to be leaning in the other direction.

Jeff,
You are right. This is NOT an emergency. They say that “Patience is a virtue”, well I ain’t virtuous as I am not a very paitient person, when it comes to new toys, err tools!!!

JayT,
I get your point. Kinda like good money after bad money.

ShaneA,
I used to enjoy the “Magic Smoke”, but that is a whole other story and lifetime ago!!!

Marty,
I see you are up from your nap.
Now take your meds and do what the guy in the white coat says!!!

EEngineer,
I’m truely torn between repair or replace. Riving knife has such a great sound to it!

David,
I am also of the “Multi Machine” mindset. The real question is; Do I put the 113 into “Storage Mode” and get a “NEW” TS NOW, or repair immediately and get a new saw latter??? Decisions, decisions, decisions…

Toolie,
There is really nothing unfortunate about this except that I HAVE to spend money!!! I was already thinking of upgrading the motor, but knowing I would eventually upgrade the saw, it was kind of an “eventually” type of thing. This is just forcing my hand to make a decision. Oh, have I said how I hate to make decisions. That is why I am such a great procrastinator!!!

I’m partial to a new saw for the riving knife. Plus a warranty and LSA ain’t nothing to sneeze at either!!! I mean who doesn’t like a new machine/tool. On the flip side though, I could spend just the $160.00 for a motor and put $300.00 towards other toys, err tools!

Ya know, this would have been an easy decision had y’all just said ”Buy a new saw!” Thanks for nothin’! Lol

-- Randy-- I may not be good...but I am slow! If good things come to those who wait.... Why is procrastination a bad thing?

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JoeinGa

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#13 posted 01-18-2013 07:29 PM

Buy a new saw already!
:-)
:-)

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knotscott

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#14 posted 01-18-2013 09:32 PM

$50

....or, put your Vega on one these!
http://burlington.craigslist.org/tls/3525315491.html
http://burlington.craigslist.org/tls/3552376976.html (I’d think the rust would be a bargaining chip)

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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DIYaholic

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#15 posted 01-18-2013 11:11 PM

Joe,
Thanks for shamelessly supporting me!!! ;)

Knottscott,

Thank you, for doing my homework!!! I only hope I can return the favor some day. :)

I have eMailed the seller of the C’man motor, to see if it is still available. That is exactly the deal I NEED, to quickly & cheaply get my saw back to making saw dust!!!

If that motor is still available…..
So much for a new saw!!! Someday….

-- Randy-- I may not be good...but I am slow! If good things come to those who wait.... Why is procrastination a bad thing?

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