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Forum topic by lumberjoe posted 01-17-2013 07:42 PM 2716 views 0 times favorited 96 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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01-17-2013 07:42 PM

This is not a thread about gun control. However before you either rally in favor or or against legislation, it’s good to understand what an “Assault Weapon” is and what it is not. As pointed out in the article, it has been illegal to buy an assault weapon for the past 30+ years (regardless of assault weapons bans in place or expiring).

I’ll let the article explain, it does a better job than I can do


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#1 posted 01-21-2013 03:45 AM

Sorry I missed this when you first posted it, I just read the whole thing and couldn’t agree more. In fact it is the same thing that I have been trying to tell people every chance I get only to be told that I’m one of those “gun nuts” that wants my guns more than the safety of children. Nothing could be further from the truth.

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#2 posted 01-21-2013 03:52 AM

I agree. I am not a gun owner and don’t ever plan to be, but I dislike fear mongering and I do agree with the second amendment. It’s important to know the facts. I think this slide show separates the facts from the “gun nut” excuse.


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#3 posted 01-21-2013 04:12 AM

I saw this a few days ago via one of my fellow enthusiasts. It’s amazing how certain sides of the media have used that phrase, “assault weapon”, to whip the uninformed into a frenzy. Some even claiming that the AR in AR-15 stands for Assault Rifle which of course is not true….but by branding it with that word it brings with it a violent imagery. It does get harder and harder to comment on this subject without it getting political because that is exactly what it has become.

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#4 posted 01-21-2013 05:30 AM

In 2011 homicides by any type of rifle accounted for 4% of the gun-related deaths.

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#5 posted 01-21-2013 01:12 PM

Removed by author – I will never write on any non woodworking threads again.

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#6 posted 01-21-2013 01:17 PM

The M4 when first introduced WAS a fully automatic machine gun. It DOES have a cyclic rate of about 900 rounds per minute on fully auto.

It is a gas-operated, magazine-fed, selective fire, shoulder-fired weapon with a telescoping stock. A shortened variant of the M16A2 rifle, the M4 has a 14.5 in (370 mm) barrel, allowing its user to better operate in close quarters combat. The M4 has selective fire options including semi-automatic and three-round burst (like the M16A2 and M16A4), while the M4A1 has the capability to fire fully automatic instead of three-round burst (like the M16A1 and M16A3).

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#7 posted 01-21-2013 01:30 PM

Removed by author – I will never write on any non woodworking threads again.

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#8 posted 01-21-2013 01:35 PM

You are right Mike. A little research turned up the M4A1 is full auto and issues to Special Forces (SEALS apparently)


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#9 posted 01-21-2013 01:36 PM

I became a gun entusiast after 911. I refuse to be “helpless” if I feel myself, and/or my family is being threatened. The ONLY way to PROTECT you, or your family from a bad guy with a gun, is a GOOD guy with a gun. End of story. That’s my opinion, and I’m stickin to it. Think how many lives could have been saved at Sandy Hook, if there would have been one, law abiding, gun carrying, citizen. It is very simple, common sense. I think it would be a good idea to have every school principal armed, and IF, any of the working teachers want to carry, oh yes, let them. THAT is one way we can help protect our innocent children.

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#10 posted 01-21-2013 01:42 PM

Lumberjoe, I still like your thread though, it is interesting.

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#11 posted 01-21-2013 05:45 PM

I like my AR-15. After training with the M-16A2 for five years in the USMC, I became very comfortable with the platform. When I decided to buy a rifle for personal use, the AR-15 made the most sense.

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#12 posted 01-22-2013 12:18 PM

Roger – you are assuming that all teachers are good guys. Are teachers just as likely to go nuts as people
in other professions, especially given the stress they are under.
Then what?

Although, kids might have more manners if they knew the teacher had a gun.

But then again, the older kids might bring in guns to defend themselves against a teacher that has become unhinged. Maybe they will be encouraged to bring guns to school by their parents to combat such a scenario.
Probably the best and only way to move forward is to arm every one, from kids starting school , up.

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#13 posted 01-22-2013 02:27 PM

I couldn’t open the link, but that won’t stop me from commenting. (ha!)
There doesn’t seem to be many adults in the media that understand firearms, but they are good at whipping up a frenzy about guns. They’re good at confusing automatic weapons and ‘scary’ rifles with handles, or saying a handgun is a ‘semi-automatic’ as if it was an Uzi machine gun. Remember the attempt to outlaw ‘Saturday Night Specials’, as if that would do anything.
I’m almost willing to concede some kind of licensing, but the paper that posted the addresses of owners cured me of that.
As with most political arguements, I don’t like to argue tit-for-tat anecdotal evidence, but instead I believe in a few fundamental truths:
An armed society is a polite society.
The debate should be about facts, not emotions.
The 2nd is to allow us to protect ourselves from the goverment.
I don’t need a gun – I just don’t want the criminals to know if I do or don’t have one.

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#14 posted 01-22-2013 04:04 PM

Your first and third truth is in conflict with your second truth.

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#15 posted 01-22-2013 05:09 PM

Just remember that many of the shooters were STUDENTS. With that in mind, just think about the public reaction the first time a student (little angel?) is shot because they presented a threat?

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