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Forum topic by davidroberts posted 01-13-2013 10:08 PM 610 views 0 times favorited 14 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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01-13-2013 10:08 PM

I’m having a very basic problem of setting the plane iron and chipbreaker in a #3 Stanley bench plane (Type 16). The iron/chipbreaker assembly bottoms out on the lever cap screw before the edge is fully exposed in the mouth. The iron is bevel-down and the chipbreaker is set to about 1/16” or slightly less. The iron is pretty much full length with a 30 degree bevel. The chipbreaker and iron appear to be original to the plane, which I bought off ebay a few years ago. The iron is marked “Stanley” and I have no reason to believe the chipbreaker is a stray part. It’s the same width as the iron. I’ve feddled with the frog adjustment, setting it up ahead and behind the back of the mouth. But I’m not satisified the iron is properly adjusted. The plane will cut very fine shavings (0.001 or 2) but only when bottomed out. This doesn’t seem right. What am I doing wrong here. I don’t ever remember this happening before.

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Francisco Luna

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#1 posted 01-13-2013 10:34 PM

david, reading the description of the issue you have with your plane, I think the chip breaker you have is not the original. Im going to take a pic of my #3 and I will share it soon….hope it will help!

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#2 posted 01-13-2013 10:35 PM

It sounds like you’ve got the wrong chip breaker.

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#3 posted 01-13-2013 10:38 PM

I won’t be back in the shop for a while, but maybe somebody can measure from the tip to the hole for you.

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#4 posted 01-13-2013 10:51 PM

Stanley Handyman #3 chipbreaker: tip of chipbreaker back to the slot=3.5”

Union #3: same length 3.5”

Don’t have a Sargent made one, or a Pexto made one ( Worth) but a #6 Parplus IS a lot shorter@2-7/8” long.

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#5 posted 01-13-2013 10:52 PM

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#6 posted 01-13-2013 10:54 PM

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#7 posted 01-14-2013 03:39 AM

Here’s some photos, still doesn’t seem right. I thought maybe I hadn’t set the adjusting screw correctly, but it seems there is really only one way to do it.

Iron and chipbreaker resting on top of lever cap screw-
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Shows frog position relative to mouth. Slightly crooked by I had it dead on even with mouth angle. Change in frog position doesn’t seem to affect depth of iron.
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Length of iron with chipbreaker-
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Length of chipbreaker, looks similar to Francisco-
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Back of chipbreaker-
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Width of chipbreaker-
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My standard distance of chipbreaker to edge of iron-
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Trying to show the mouth with the iron inserted-
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#8 posted 01-14-2013 04:06 AM

I don’t know what the measurements of the blade/chipbreaker should be, but I had this same issue on a different plane. I found (after pulling out hair and grinding the chip breaker hole) was the ‘wishbone’ yoke that actually moves the blade up and down was bent at the wrong angle. I mean the ‘Y’ shaped bit that the adjusting knob actually adjusts. Bending this (carefully and very slowly) back to the correct angle got things sorted.

Something to check anyway- good luck,

Matt

wishbone angle photo on a bedrock #3:

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#9 posted 01-14-2013 04:27 AM

Hmmm. Your chipbreaker matches my Handyman #3 (#H1203) almost exactly. However, I don’t think a Handyman chipbreaker will fit another Stanley frog. The handyman frogs are a lot different. I have a Union Style chipbreaker for a Union #3. There is almost an 1/8” more room where the bolt comes up through. Iron can go that much further into the wood. BRB>>>>

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#10 posted 01-14-2013 04:44 AM

Ok, here we go: First a look at the difference between two CBs..

Handyman CB on the top, Union below it. Slightly longer Union, and it will fit the older Stanleys. Next: A look at the frogs…

Handyman frog. Next:

a 1915 era Union frog. Both fit their CBs …

The Union #3, and..

The Handyman #H1203. Looks like you have the wrong chipbreaker for your plane???? I tried my 1203 in the Union #3 Same result as your’s. I’ll keep checking things out with mine….

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#11 posted 01-14-2013 04:58 AM

Also check to see if the pin the yoke pivots on is not bent. I had one that was. Don’t know how that happened.

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#12 posted 01-14-2013 07:45 AM

Matt and OnlyJustMe, all good ideas to look at. I’ll be in the shop tomorrow night and will check the “Y” adjuster and pins.

Franscisco and Don, I think you’re right! You guys went right to to heart of the matter. Funny how I never noticed it before. Unless something is bent, which is possible, the chipbreaker was not made for this type #3.

Bandit, thanks so much for the research. I think you voted with Don and Francisco. I’d kill for an extra 1/8 inch, and really all I need is maybe another 32th, tops, just to ease the pressure off the lever cap screw. I may have switched out the chipbreaker along the way, but can’t remember when, and really not very likely. I’ve only got one #3, but I have had some old parts sitting around here and there. I may touch the chipbreaker with a Dremel. Not like it’s worth that much, and worth nothing to me if it doesn’t fit right. One thing I noticed, the chipbreaker feels very lightweight, like something recently manufactured. Later

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#13 posted 01-14-2013 12:48 PM

You’ve got a high front knob and a small adjuster knob, so I doubt that’s original, which means the breaker may not be either.

I wouldn’t try bending the yoke. You can bend the steel ones, but that on looks cast. It WILL break.

I may have the correct chip breaker once you determine what that is but won’t be able to check until Friday at the earliest.

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#14 posted 01-18-2013 02:38 AM

Don, I think you may have scrolled through MattStott’s photos just below my post. Actually while re-reading my initial post, I made a mistake. My #3 is a Type 18, not Type 16, assuming the diagonal knurled adjuster nut is original. I have a 16 #6. The #3 was my very first plane bought at an Orange County CA flea market in the early 1990s. I had no idea about “type” at that time, and not until just a few years ago. Because the chipbreaker is worth probably about $0.50, and this is an everyday user, I’m going to remove just a bit of metal and see if I can’t gain a 1/16. I really appreciate the offer and if I do need one, or something else planewise, I’ll be in touch.

I checked the alignment of the adjuster screw and Y adjuster lever. They are both in good shape. Lever is cast iron. No breaky breaky.

-- God is great, wood is good. Let us thank Him for wood......and old hand tools.

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