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Forum topic by Emma Walker posted 01-12-2013 01:30 AM 1870 views 0 times favorited 42 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Emma Walker

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01-12-2013 01:30 AM

Starrett squares are like over $100 just for two pieces of metal stamped together at a 90° angle. What are some good alternatives to over priced squares?

I bought a pear of plastic Rockler clamp-it squares but when I spooned them together I cound see day light throught them on one of the far ends.

I have one of thoughs large flat metal squares that’s all one peice that cost maybe $9.95 at Home Depot but I want an afordable one of these.

? $1,500 ? for this!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Starrett-Square-no-20-36-/251210395312?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a7d4e6eb0

-- I'm a twisted 2x4 in a pile of straight lumber.


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#1 posted 01-12-2013 01:37 AM

You don’t need Starrett for woodworking. Those
expensive tools are for setting up milling machines
used in manufacturing satellite parts and other
super fine-tolerance stuff like that…. you know,
super colliders and rocket ships.

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#2 posted 01-12-2013 01:39 AM

Look at PEC tools. Made in the USA.

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alexdom_89

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#3 posted 01-12-2013 01:39 AM

Grizzly has the cheapest set I’ve seen

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#4 posted 01-12-2013 01:40 AM

It’s not stamped…
try a carpenters square, its those $10 ones, also a plastic triangle one… Its very accurate.

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#5 posted 01-12-2013 01:40 AM

Higher precision = more money. Usually exponentially. That one you link to is within 0.0001” every 6”. Meaning it’s longest side is within square by 0.0006”.

For woodworking, I’m sure 1/64” error (0.0156”) over 12” is probably fine. The wood will move more than that.

-- End grain is like a belly button. Yes, I know you have one. No, I don't want to see it.

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#6 posted 01-12-2013 01:53 AM

Might check on see what Swanson has? Take along a known square item to check a few on the shelf.

Speed squares: Them plastic rectangle thingys that framers use. They need to be check for square, the last time I had to buy one, I think I check about a dozen before I found one that was square.

Combo Squares: Can be square when tightened up, but be sure to check them BEFORe you buy one. With all the sliding back and forth they do, it is better to get the all metal ones, rather than the ones with that plastic ends.

Carpenter?Framer squares: Again check for square. These are Huge for being in a shop. Useful for larger projects. You can set different angles with them, IF you know how to read them. ( That is why they make speed squares, for people that can’t read a framing square) Get a Steel one, if you need one.

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#7 posted 01-12-2013 01:54 AM

http://www.logancabinetshoppe.com/shop-made-tools.php

Here’s an excellent tutorial to make your own squares.
Shop made tools are more fun anyways.

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#8 posted 01-12-2013 01:59 AM

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#9 posted 01-12-2013 02:13 AM

I have made a few of them. I used a piece of brass and brass dowels and purple heart and walnut. drill 3 holes in the wood mark the holes in the brass and drill them. then push the brass rods though the holes. I even put all the lines on mine with the inches. very fun to make and is a perfect square. try it!!!!!! Check out my projects page you will see one there.

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#10 posted 01-12-2013 02:17 AM

I have a couple of starrett combination squares that aren’t square.

-- Sorry the reply is so long. I didn't have time to write a short reply.

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#11 posted 01-12-2013 02:19 AM

Square is neccassary, but Rarely is it neccassary to buy that type for the average woodworker. Mine are from Menards and I haven’t had problems with them.

-- Mother Nature created it, I just assemble it.

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#12 posted 01-12-2013 02:33 AM

Loren,

What if you want to build a wooden rocketship?

-- I'm a twisted 2x4 in a pile of straight lumber.

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#13 posted 01-12-2013 02:43 AM

Ross – 50 what ?

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Emma Walker

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#14 posted 01-12-2013 02:44 AM

Thanks everyone, i realize that i was probably over guessing my need for a Metal square.

-- I'm a twisted 2x4 in a pile of straight lumber.

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#15 posted 01-12-2013 04:07 AM

Vintage rosewood and brass squares off eBay (or flea markets) can be had quite cheap, and are usually pretty true. If not, it’s pretty easy to make them true with a few hammer taps.

-- ian | "You can't stop what's coming. It ain't all waiting on you. That's vanity."

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