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Forum topic by captfoss posted 01-07-2013 07:49 PM 3586 views 0 times favorited 3 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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captfoss

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01-07-2013 07:49 PM

I’m debating between the R4512 & C21833.

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00921833000P?vName=Tools&cName=Bench&StationaryPowerTools&sName=Table%20Sawsmv=rr

http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-202500206/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&keyword=R4512&storeId=10051#.UOsQprRYsYo

I’ve read all of the different discussions. They’ve got the same guts. The Ridgid has a better warranty and a better(or more convenient, at least) single-pedal lift system. Ridgid is cheaper most of the time. I’ve yet to read a single “vs” post that concludes you should get the Craftsman (but I’m trying to talk myself into the Craftsman because I just prefer Craftsman tools).

My question deals with the rail system on the Craftsman vs the Ridgid. The rails on the Ridget have pre-drilled holes to mount the side tables / extension. The rails on the Craftsman have t-slots that the tables/extension slide & tighten into.

Does anyone have an opinion on which style of rail would be better? It seems to me like the t-slots on the Craftsman would be significantly better for making your own extension inserts and things of that nature…


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#1 posted 01-07-2013 08:18 PM

I have had the 21833 for almost 3 years.
The very last thing on my list of things that would keep me from buying this saw again is the lift system.
The lift works great and I would rather pick up half the weight at a time.
The casters work well and I have never had a problem moving the saw when I wanted to.

Having said that, the list of things that would keep be from buying this saw again really has only two things on it
And that would apply to any of the 4 or 5 different labels it is sold under.

- 1. The blade changes alignment with the miter slot when you raise and lower it.

- 2. The wheel for raising and lowering the blade has a crappy, non-functional locking mechanism.

Well, actually there is one more. The guts are cheap, light weight, poorly finished and flimsy.

For the money it is the best value out there for a table saw.
I’m just saying you can’t get a decent NEW saw for that price.

If this thing lasts more than a few years it will be a miracle.

Also, I question the value of the Ridgid warranty. You have to haul this 250 lb machine to a service center for repairs. That would be a 2 hour trip twice for me; with a borrowed truck and about $60 worth of gas.

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#2 posted 01-07-2013 08:27 PM

Yep. All the anecdotal evidence I have read suggests that the Ridgid warranty is useless. Unless you enjoy hauling heavy items to off-site service centers, then waiting for weeks/months for the repair to be completed. Then you get to haul said item back home again.
That said, I’d discount the Ridgid “Lifetime Service Agreement” as a factor. Just my honest opinion.
I’m intrigued by the craftsman’s T-slots for extensions. I can’t say I’ve seen that feature before on any other saw. On paper, it seems superior in my eyes. I’m not sure it would be a game changing factor in my ultimate purchase decision though.
Bottom line is that these saws are basically identical. If you prefer the craftsman, you should get the craftsman. Check Fatwallet.com and other such sites. You’ll probably find a Sears coupon code that will put a dent in the price.

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#3 posted 01-07-2013 09:06 PM

take a harbor freight “20% off any single item” coupon to a HD that will honor it and the 4512, with it’s very reliable LSA (provided one follows the rules), is yours for $400. that’s a lot of new saw, which comes with a 90 day satisfaction guaranty and a 3 year new tool guaranty before the LSA ever becomes an issue, for that price. sears is yesterday’s news and absolutely the LAST place i go for anything anymore.

near as i can tell from the extremely poor quality 21833 OM on the sears site, the rear rail appears to have a slot just like the front rail on both saws. that wouldn’t be a deal breaker for me. the ridgid has a better guaranty, the LSA, a 90 day satisfaction guaranty (don’t like it, bring it back) and may be purchased for $400. buying the 21833 gets you the same saw for more money and less protection.

just judging from the quality of the OMs on their respective sites, i’d stay away form the 21833 and go with the 4512.

http://www.managemylife.com/mmh/lis_pdf/OWNM/L0910054.pdf

http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/pdfImages/c2/c2e26e29-35a4-469c-8193-136092afdbd3.pdf

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