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01-06-2013 06:37 PM

I’m trying to build a face frame cabinet with full overlay doors. Is 1/4” the smallest minimal gap I can have where the door opens at the hinges? Ideally I’d like all my drawer and door spacing to be 1/8”.

Does anyone have any pics of face frame cabinets with full overlay doors and drawers?


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#1 posted 01-07-2013 01:15 AM

The amount of overhang on the doors will depend on the hinges that you use. I think you are asking for trouble to try to hold the tolerances on something made of wood close enough to work with 1/8 inch overlap.

-- Nils, So. Central MI. Wood is honest.Take the effort to understand what it has to tell you before you try to change it.

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#2 posted 01-07-2013 01:27 AM

I’m a little confused as what gap you are referring to as being the smallest minimal gap. Are you referring to the reveal between two doors that are hinged back to back ( like the gap between the doors between two cabinets) If so, how wide are your faceframes?

-- John @ http://www.thehuffordfurnituregroup.com

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#3 posted 01-07-2013 01:31 AM

Way easier to make it work if you stick to 1.5” face
frames. Any wider and you’re asking for problems.

Cup hinges are drilled in 23mm from the edge of the
door. You can drill them at 25 and get a little more
overlay, but any more and they start to bind. You
can get them to overlay 3/4” but they are designed
to overlay a little less. The adjusters bottom out
and they won’t go to a 3/4” overlay unless you drill
in 25mm from the edge.

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#4 posted 01-07-2013 01:38 AM

I took the 1/8 to refer to the gap between doors everywhere.

If you use euro hinges, the widest stile dimension is 3/4”. You’d use box mount hinges for that.

There are euro face frame hinges but the overlay is limited to about 3/4.

If you use something like this hinge,

then you can vary the overlay on a wider stile but the barrel thicknesses will dictate your gap.

A typical face frame/overlay door setup is just that— typical. On the other end of the field, the full overlay look is a product of euro technology and frameless design. They don’t really mix, in my mind.

Kindly,

Lee

-- "...in his brain, which is as dry as the remainder biscuit after a voyage, he hath strange places cramm'd with observation, the which he vents in mangled forms." --Shakespeare, "As You Like It"

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#5 posted 01-07-2013 02:18 AM

I read the question a bit differently, but in any event, the gaps or reveals of doors I have built and installed on face frame cabinets is usually determined by the hinge you use, although some can be adjusted more than others.

-- Randy "You are judged as much by the questions you ask as the answers you give..."

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#6 posted 01-07-2013 02:27 AM

Yes, I’m referring to the smallest gap I can get away with where doors hinge back to back to each other, or where a door hinges next to a vertical stack of drawers.

Like this, which looks like 1/8” gap by the doors. It could be an optical illusion though. Or it could be frameless, too I guess.

My whole issue revolves around duplicating this vanity. I’ve made the carcass but am stuck at the face frame. The carcass is 3/4 prefin with a 1/4” prefin back. I can’t really go frameless on this since I don’t want bare white wood showing in the cracks. Plus I’d like to build a quality cabinet with a nice cherry face frame, full overlay cherry doors and drawers with a nice scrolled cherry base and cove molding. That’s my goal here.

Cabinet I’m trying to emulate-
http://lumberjocks.com/topics/40541

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#7 posted 01-07-2013 03:24 AM

No need for a face frame. Ball bearing slides on the
drawers will keep the partitions parallel to within
about 1/16”, which is tight enough to look good
with consistent reveals in overlay door and drawer faces.

Do you know about half-overlay hinges?

That’s how I’d do it. Use 7/8” x 1/4” solid wood
lippings and you can stain them any color you like.

-- http://lawoodworking.com

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#8 posted 01-07-2013 04:47 AM

Why 7/8” wide? The sides and vertical drawer dividers are 3/4”.

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#9 posted 01-07-2013 04:51 AM

There are plenty of Euro style 35mm hinge configurations to get your doors within 1/16” to 3/32 of an inch gap. No problems whatsoever.

-- Oldworld, Fair Oaks, Ca

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#10 posted 01-07-2013 04:55 AM

Even with two doors back to back with a 1.5” face frame centered on 3/4”?

Can you show me an example hinge?

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#11 posted 01-07-2013 06:14 AM

You glue on the 7/8” lippings and rout off the
excess with a flush trim bit to a final width
equal to the panel thickness.

-- http://lawoodworking.com

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#12 posted 01-07-2013 06:40 AM

1/8” is perfect

-- "Good artists borrow, great artists steal”…..Picasso

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#13 posted 01-07-2013 06:42 AM

-- "Good artists borrow, great artists steal”…..Picasso

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#14 posted 01-07-2013 06:55 AM

In the 35mm system you would get a 0 base plate and put a Blum 110 degree or 120 degree full overlay hinges on. These are adjustable to 22mm which is close to 7/8” overlay each. If you have a 1 1/2” face frame and mount one left and the other right you will have no problem at all tuning the doors very close together.

I can send you a PDF of the Blum catalog that has specs on every hinge they make.

-- Oldworld, Fair Oaks, Ca

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#15 posted 01-07-2013 05:56 PM

John-

Which hinge are you referring to? A half crank or no crank hinge?

Got a link?

Thanks…..

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