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mpex

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01-04-2013 09:52 AM

My first post. Have done a significant amount of research on this, including a lot of searching and reading on this forum. I’ve read most of Bill Pentz’s site. The reason for this post is because pretty much all of the posts I’ve seen point to much larger wood shops than mine. I’m not sure what I need for effective dust collection. I am primarily concerned about my health. The ideal from everything I’ve read would be to go with the Clear Vue, but I’m not sure I need to spend all the money and get something so large. I’m guessing that even the 1800 is overkill.

My ‘shop’
-Single user
-Open home basement. Full dimensions are probably 30’x40’ but I am only using 8’x15’.
-Mostly doing small projects like pens.
Tools:
Delta Midi lathe (primary tool, small projects)
Tabletop drill press

Likely upgrades:
Medium size band saw
Belt sander

Any help would be appreciated!

Thanks!


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Ross

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#1 posted 01-04-2013 11:51 AM

http://www.grizzly.com/products/1-1-2-HP-Dust-Collector/G1028Z2
This dust collector should be sufficient for your needs without breaking the bank.
I have a small shop ( 12 X 22) and use this model dust collector as well as a jet AFS-1000 air filtration system.
The dust in my shop is minimal.

-- "Man Plans and God Laughs"

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#2 posted 01-04-2013 12:19 PM

Get the Harbor Freight. Coupons out there for $149.00. You’ll need better bags.
Bill

-- bill@magraphics.us

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kizerpea

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#3 posted 01-04-2013 01:05 PM

Yeah !!!get the harbor freight an build from there…..lots of post doing that..up grades are easy..

-- IF YOUR NOT MAKING DUST...YOU ARE COLLECTING IT! SOUTH CAROLINA.

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#4 posted 01-04-2013 01:10 PM

I’m a guy who always think more is better with DC. But as I looked at your tools and uses, I have to think a smaller single stage unit with tight filtration (1 micron or better) would be plenty. The only thing that gave me pause was the prospective belt sander. If that’s hand held a dc isn’t going to help with it anyway, you need a good shop vac. If it’s a stationary unit, you may find it generates so much fine dust you’ll wish you had more than a SS collector. You’ll need a vac anyway for general cleanup, put a Gore Clean Stream filter ($30) in it and your set.

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress.

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Roger

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#5 posted 01-04-2013 01:22 PM

What Bill White said. If you are only planning on doing pens and small turnings, a setup like this would be fine for you. It includes the same dc from HF. My simple, and very cheap arrangement is this:
http://lumberjocks.com/Kentuk55/blog/32158
Keep searchin around on here, you’ll find plenty of answers and ideas that won’t cost you a fortune.

-- Roger from KY. Work/Play/Travel Safe. Kentuk55@bellsouth.net

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#6 posted 01-04-2013 01:27 PM

I’ve got a Jet DC1100 myself, but the main reason is because I got a good deal off of Craigslist. If that didn’t come up, I’d do like some of the other people have mentioned and go with the Harbor Freight – the price really can’t be beat. I also serious considered the Delta 50-760 and 786, but they’re just so much more than the HF without a whole lot of gain.

Keep in mind that you’ll really want to do some upgrades though. IIRC, the stock bag is a 30 micron bag, which really doesn’t do a whole lot towards filtering out the fines that can really hurt you. There’s alot of information out there about retrofitting a Wynn cartridge to these things (www.wynnenv.com). I’d also look into building a Thien separator of sorts.

I ended up getting a nano cartridge for my DC100 and the motor is actually now sitting on top of a cyclone separator. Those are all mods you could do to the HF as well, just depends on how far you want to take it.

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#7 posted 01-04-2013 01:29 PM

I second the HF unit. Add a Thein Top Hat pre-seperator and a Wynn Cannister filter you are good to go!
I also recommend two other items/units:
1) Ambient air cleaner
2) Downdraft Sanding table

Good luck.

-- Randy-- I may not be good...but I am slow! If good things come to those who wait.... Why is procrastination a bad thing?

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GT350

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#8 posted 01-04-2013 01:33 PM

I had a jet single stage bag filter, I got rid of it because the bags were so poor that every time I used it, it would fill my shop with the fine dust I was trying to get rid of. I built the cyclone they featured in wood magazine several years ago and that solved the problem. I think it is only 1.5 hp and works great. I would make sure and get one with a pleated filter. Another thing you might get is one of the filters that hangs from the ceiling and just filters the air.

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mpex

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#9 posted 01-04-2013 02:16 PM

If I was to get the HF unit, can I fit it with a Cyclone? Would that be advisable? Should I be shooting for 1micron or 0.5microns?

Thanks for all the help!!!

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DIYaholic

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#10 posted 01-04-2013 02:51 PM

I believe you can, but I’m not sure if the HF unit is powerful enough for a true cyclone. As far as the “Microns” go, the smaller the particles that are filtered out, then the less YOU will be breathing!!!

-- Randy-- I may not be good...but I am slow! If good things come to those who wait.... Why is procrastination a bad thing?

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#11 posted 01-04-2013 02:58 PM

There is a fellow on another forum that posts regularly that he’s run a cyclone with his HF unit for several years, and is quite happy with the performance. Bear in mind the HF 2 HP unit is more like 1.5HP and it has a 10” impeller, most other 1.5 HP units have an 11” one. Not a criticism, just something to help keep in mind if you do comparisons. It actually would be a great unit for your needs, if you upgrade the filter bags.

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress.

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gtbuzz

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#12 posted 01-04-2013 05:14 PM

As long as you don’t want to run more than 1 machine at once and have the flexibility of not having very long runs, the HF unit (along with other 1.5-ish HP units) should be enough.

A couple things to keep in mind about the cyclone – it does increase the static pressure, so there will be a drop in the CFM. Because of this, I really wouldn’t put one of these on something less powerful, like a 1hp or less unit. Also, the main purpose of the cyclone is to separate out the bulk of the material before it gets to the filter – a cyclone isn’t going to separate out the really fine stuff. For that, you need a good filter (Wynn Environmental is your best bet). By separating the bulk of the stuff before it gets to the filter, the it helps the filter remain clog free, and overall your dust collection system can breathe better and maintain suction.

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mpex

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#13 posted 01-04-2013 06:33 PM

What is considered a ‘long run?’ How long?

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#14 posted 01-04-2013 07:44 PM

I don’t own one, but Rockler has a wall mount unit that wouldn’t take up as much floor space as some of the others. For such a small space dedicated to your shop that might work.

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gtbuzz

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#15 posted 01-05-2013 11:54 PM

The definition of “long run” depends on a variety of factors including the type of run (flex hose, smooth duct, etc), size of duct, number of turns, the power of the motor, the type of tool, etc. etc. If you’re running 10 feet of 5” flex duct on that HF unit, you’re probably okay, but push it to 20 feet and you’re looking at almost 20” of static pressure.

The shorter the run, the lower the static pressure, therefore the higher the airflow at the nozzle. If you check out Bill Pentz’s website, there’s a lot of useful information there.

For what it’s worth, I’ve got 10 ft of 6” flex hose that I use with my Jet DC1100 / cyclone setup and it seems to work decently, although I’m going to try to run some ducting around in my little 20×10 half garage to eek out a little more performance.

On the Rockler dust collector, I’d stay away from that unit. It’s more expensive than the HF and it’s not going to perform as well. The included bag is 30 microns, so if you were to use it in the stock configuration, it’s nothing more than a chip collector. If you were to try using it for collecting sanding dust, you’re probably better off using nothing at all, as that would likely make things worse and just pump the fines around a lot more than they ormally would.

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