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Forum topic by Matt Rogers posted 01-03-2013 12:45 PM 2923 views 0 times favorited 18 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Matt Rogers

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01-03-2013 12:45 PM

Topic tags/keywords: cutterhead replacement delta dc-380 planer shelix bearings

Hey everyone,

I am upgrading my Delta DC-380 15” 4 post planer to a shelix cutterhead and I have the existing straight knife cutterhead for sale. If anyone needs one to fix or restore a planer, let me know. I would like to get something for the head as it is in good shape, no issues, rust-free and complete with all gibs, screws, and lifters. I can even supply a new set of bearings at cost from Accurate Bearing if necessary to make a sale. I would like to get $175 for the head and I also have two brand new sets of T1 18%W knives and a set of carbide insert knives for sale as well.

I will be replacing the cutterhead in a few days when some new parts arrive and will post the results here.

I did have trouble when taking off the cover to the transmission, not something that was mentioned before. There were some gears that did not easily pop out when taking off the cover and without forcing out the bearings, I was unable to completely remove the cover. I did get it off enough to access the cutterhead, but it also took quite a lot of pounding to get the cutterhead out of the transmission casing. I certainly damaged the bearing, which is not an issue as I will replace the cutterhead bearings.

I also found that the helical gear attached to the cutterhead was worn, so I ordered a new one from Grizzly as they have it in stock, as opposed to the delta parts which will take a few weeks.

I am not replacing the transmission bearings as they appear to be fine and they spin more slowly, but if anyone has had those bearings fail, let me know and I will replace them now.

Thanks,

Matt Rogers

-- Matt Rogers, http://www.cleanairwoodworks.com


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BMaloney

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#1 posted 01-04-2013 01:03 AM

I replaced all the bearings when I did mine. I used double sheilded bearings. I think there were 7 bearings that I replaced. The total cost was about $40 for all of them. I figured I was this far into it why not replace all the bearings. A little preventative maintainence goes a long way. I would have hated to have a bearing go bad a couple months after I just had the whole thing apart. Try Industrial Bearing Co. for the bearings and seals. They were very reasonable.

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#2 posted 01-04-2013 02:00 AM

Thanks for the tip. I will probably not replace the transmission bearings as I did not order them and they are easier to get to (take off the transmission cover and I should be able to get to most of them). I used Accurate Bearing Co. as on the Old Woodworking Machinery Forum (OWWM.org) they tell you to call Lynne and she is very helpful in getting the right bearings for the machines. Go to the forum and in a sticky post it has a list of instructions for calling so that she can help you and so that you don’t waste her time. But she was very helpful and the bearings were only a couple of bucks ($3-$4) a piece so I ordered a replacement set for the cutterhead.

By the way, the shelix arrived and it looks great. I can’t wait for the helix gear and the bearings to get here so that I can fire it back up as I recently cleaned out a woodworker that was moving to Germany of 4000 bd ft of walnut, honey locust, oak, mahogany, rosewood, and even a piece marked lignum vitae (not sure if it is the true or the Argentine yet, but it is 7/4×10x48 without sapwood and weighs a literal ton).

I still have to press out the cutterhead bearing in the transmission case. Do you know if I press it out towards the cutterhead or in towards the transmission case inside? It may be obvious when I go back out to the shop to try, but I figured I would ask in case it is not.

Thanks
Matt

-- Matt Rogers, http://www.cleanairwoodworks.com

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runswithscissors

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#3 posted 01-04-2013 03:34 AM

I believe the cutterhead bearing presses out toward the transmission case. At least it did when I did the same job on my Rockwell 13X6. I suspect the two tools aren’t that different.

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#4 posted 01-23-2013 03:33 PM

Matt, so how do you like the Shelix? I have the DC-380 and I would like to get a spiral cutter head. I am worried about the installation, and have read a not so good review of the shelix head here on this site.

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#5 posted 01-23-2013 05:02 PM

Petey,

I like it a lot. The installation is not hard. I did need to go get a bearing puller, but I just rented it for free from my local Advance Auto Parts. You can also make you own using bolts and a piece of wood or steel in the worst case, or spend $15 from harbor freight to get one.

If you can take apart some bolts and put them back together, then you can replace the cutterhead. I did have some issues, mostly with getting the transmission case apart, but that was just a case of the bearings sticking in their recesses and you just have to slowly tap and pry and work until it comes apart. The same for putting it back together, just line up all the gears and slowly tap it back together.

My shelix was a bit oversized for the bearings and the little gear at the end of the cutterhead, but they went on, it just took more force than getting the bearings off the other cutterehead.

I just ran through about 200 bd ft of mixed black locust, ash, white oak and it all went through very nice. Reduced power consumption, reduced noise, reduced dust collection issues, and the knowledge that I can do the same thing another 50 times before even thinking about rotating the cutterheads is great.

-- Matt Rogers, http://www.cleanairwoodworks.com

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Peteybadboy

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#6 posted 01-24-2013 02:30 PM

Matt – thanks. I wish Shelix had a video of the whole installation. (for the Delta DC-380).

Sooner or later I will pull the trigger on this for my planer and Powermatic Jointer. I get way too much tare out with the current blades. Just planed Babinga tare out was huge!

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Matt Rogers

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#7 posted 01-24-2013 02:56 PM

Yea, tearout is a pain especially with a planer as you are using it to take the lumber down to its finished dimension.

I still get very minor tearout with the spiral cutterhead, but that was only with some very cross grained or figured boards where there was no way to feed the board and have all the grain line up. And that was with dry black locust – a super hard wood for this country (still nothing like ipe or lignum vitae). Still, I would say the worst piece only had a few areas that were more rough then chipped out. Something that you could belt sand out if you really needed to. But I also was just dimensioning some lumber for Adirondack Chairs so I did not care tooo much about the finish as there will be plenty of concealed areas to put a small rough spot.

-- Matt Rogers, http://www.cleanairwoodworks.com

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#8 posted 04-09-2013 05:27 PM

Just pulled the trigger on the Shellx bought from Grizzly (good price). I did not buy the bearings (yet). I read someplace Holbren Inc. has a package of bearings for the dc-380. I will check that out.

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#9 posted 04-09-2013 11:46 PM

just a thought to any one thinking about building a 15” jointer here’s your chance.

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#10 posted 04-21-2013 04:15 PM

Help needed. How did you get the gear box casing off the old cutterhead? hitting it from the back has only moved it a 1/16? I dont want to pound the crap out of it. Also can’t get the drive gear off the old cutter head.

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#11 posted 04-21-2013 05:00 PM

I believe I drove mine out from the gear case side. Once you open the case and remove some things that are in the way, you can drive the cutterhead journal out of the gear case bearing from that side. I seem to recall there is a gear or something that has to be removed from the end of the cutterhead.

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#12 posted 04-21-2013 05:04 PM

Yea, open the gear box and there are several gears in there. The cover to my case was hard to get off because there are bearings pressed into both the gear box and the cover and you have to pop one side loose. There is not too much that can break if you work slowly and keep tapping and prying gently all around the cover. Each of the gears is attached to bearings and they can all be removed using a puller or other method. Then support the gear box very well on all sides with the cutterhead hanging down and pound it out.

-- Matt Rogers, http://www.cleanairwoodworks.com

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Peteybadboy

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#13 posted 04-21-2013 05:16 PM

Fred, How did you get the gear off the end of the cutterhead? I see no way to remove that last gear. The gear box is empty except for that, I can drive it out from that end. Matt and Fred thanks for the reply..any further advice would be appreciated!

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#14 posted 04-22-2013 12:34 PM

Bear in mind I did this about 4 years ago….so I’m running on memory (and I’m old!). But isn’t there a bolt that holds that gear on? removing it should allow you remove the gear.

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#15 posted 04-23-2013 06:21 PM

OK finished installing the Shelix, There is a allen screw on the end of the old cutter that holds the gear on. After that was out it went together pretty easy. I really like the Byrd Shelix. Smooth, but “some” minor cutter marks. 150 grit sandpaper should finish it easy. I may do my joiner next. Thanks for your help Fred,matt. Anyone want the old Delta DC 380 15”planer cutter head?

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