LumberJocks

Another shooting...what if?

  • Advertise with us

« back to Coffee Lounge forum

Forum topic by americanwoodworker posted 12-24-2012 04:46 PM 775 views 0 times favorited 15 replies Add to Favorites Watch
View americanwoodworker's profile

americanwoodworker

184 posts in 1093 days


12-24-2012 04:46 PM

Well there is another shooting on the news. 2 firefighters dead and two injured. This seems to always happen after a highly reported story on shootings. You get copycats. Now sense we are so quick to ban guns after shooting I wonder what outcry we would have if gun supporters asked for laws against the media on reporting these shootings. Laws such as the shooter can never be shown on t.v.. No pics, no names…nothing. The only thing that can be shown are pics and names of the victims.

This way the victims are memorialized instead of the shooter being sensationalized. Wonder if the anti-gun media will cry out freedom of the press?

-- Your freedom to be you, includes my freedom to be free from you.


15 replies so far

View Dusty56's profile

Dusty56

11678 posts in 2408 days


#1 posted 12-24-2012 05:19 PM

Time to bring back public lynchings in the Town Square !!
Why treat them to 3 square meals a day , room and board and health care for the rest of their lives at the expense of everyone else ?

-- I'm absolutely positive that I couldn't be more uncertain!

View Joe Lyddon's profile

Joe Lyddon

7876 posts in 2772 days


#2 posted 12-24-2012 05:46 PM

Sounds like a good idea…

... that information should be of no use by anyone, except relatives & friends of the shooter… they can find out later.

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

View americanwoodworker's profile

americanwoodworker

184 posts in 1093 days


#3 posted 12-24-2012 08:06 PM

Just thought it would be an interesting argument. Cause I hear people say the the right to bear arms was established during the times of muzzle loaders and people needing to feed themselves with hunting. So therefore the right to bear arms should be altered do to modern day weapons.

Well I say freedom of the press was established during the times of manual operated printing presses. Today we have internet, T.V. and radio. So therefore we need to alter freedom of the press to match modern day times. I guarantee you that they have done more harm to society than guns ever will.

-- Your freedom to be you, includes my freedom to be free from you.

View kizerpea's profile

kizerpea

746 posts in 1087 days


#4 posted 12-24-2012 10:13 PM

+ 1 wid dusty56 it should public so kids over the age of 10 could see…bad things happen to bad people…

-- IF YOUR NOT MAKING DUST...YOU ARE COLLECTING IT! SOUTH CAROLINA.

View superstretch's profile

superstretch

1509 posts in 1413 days


#5 posted 12-26-2012 04:28 PM

I’m about 15 minutes away from where the shooting happened.. definitely not a copy cat. I get the impression that when the news went nationwide, only about 1/2 the facts went with it. All of Rochester is in shock about this.. but so many warning signs were ignored—he brutally murdered his grandma with a hammer, wasn’t repentant in the least.. let out on parole early and never followed up with by his parole officer.. threatened to kill his sister.. this tragedy was 32 years in the making.

Newsday’s article focused more on the types of weapons he used than anything else.. very sad. Right now, people are very sensitive to anything involving guns and shootings.. otherwise this whole ordeal would have passed right on by the national spotlight.

Local news: http://www.13wham.com/mostpopular/story/Chilling-Detail-From-Shooters-Note-For-Police/dzMXKjpa8UGqJQKKA8PxcA.cspx

Newsday: http://www.newsday.com/news/region-state/upstate-firemen-s-killer-william-spengler-mapped-out-plan-for-slayings-1.4375413?qr=1

-- Dan, Rochester, NY

View crank49's profile

crank49

3481 posts in 1691 days


#6 posted 12-26-2012 09:12 PM

I’m not against public hangings necessarily, but since the suspects killed themselves in both the most recent news headliners, I don’t see that a law change, of any kind, would have changed the outcomes.

The one thing that would have made a difference in all mass shooting incidents in my memory would be a completely different way to deal with mental disorders. And, I don’t mean requiring patients to self medicate themselves or promise to be better people. This will require institutionalizing nut jobs. And doing that is going to require us to declare the ACLU unconstitutional. Fat chance.

-- Michael :-{| “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” ― A H

View Dusty56's profile

Dusty56

11678 posts in 2408 days


#7 posted 12-27-2012 03:07 AM

” Fat chance.” Hey , I resemble that remark !!

-- I'm absolutely positive that I couldn't be more uncertain!

View americanwoodworker's profile

americanwoodworker

184 posts in 1093 days


#8 posted 12-27-2012 03:20 PM

crank you are correct, no law change of any kind would have prevented the outcomes. We have A law already that sums it up with out all the additional laws. That law states “Murder is illegal”. Enough said.

My point is lets bring consistency to the argument. If the argument is that the constitution is outdated when it comes to guns then I also believe it is outdated in the freedom of the press. I really do not believe the constitution can ever at anytime be outdated. But lets show consistency here. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

Now lets not go on a big constitutional argument here because that is banned by the moderators, as is speaking of the almighty tree.

-- Your freedom to be you, includes my freedom to be free from you.

View Joe Lyddon's profile

Joe Lyddon

7876 posts in 2772 days


#9 posted 12-28-2012 02:17 AM

Laws do NOT control Criminals.
Criminals ignore laws...
Criminals use laws to their advantage…
Criminals think nothing about BREAKING laws... they love to do that…

That’s why they are called CRIMINALS!
DUH!

Pass all of the laws you want… They will NOT control CRIMINALS…
They will only be followed by the law abiding public… PERIOD!

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

View TopamaxSurvivor's profile

TopamaxSurvivor

15006 posts in 2396 days


#10 posted 12-28-2012 06:20 AM

Local news just mentioned the 2nd time in a month someone was pushed onto the subway tracks in New York. What to do about this? Ban subways, I guess ;-(

-- "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

View Joe Lyddon's profile

Joe Lyddon

7876 posts in 2772 days


#11 posted 12-28-2012 06:35 AM

Topamax…

Of course! That’s the ONLY LOGICAL solution! LOL

Or they could pass a Law… “It’s against the Law to push anyone into the subway train!”
... don’t they already have a law like that? I’ll bet they passed it 75 years ago! DUH… LOL

Laws do not control Criminals…

It’s against the law to murder… Does it stop any criminal? Hello?

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

View TopamaxSurvivor's profile

TopamaxSurvivor

15006 posts in 2396 days


#12 posted 12-28-2012 06:49 AM

-- "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

View americanwoodworker's profile

americanwoodworker

184 posts in 1093 days


#13 posted 12-28-2012 02:31 PM

The human need to “do something” is primal after moments like this, not just for those in mourning but for those who want to help those in mourning. But, often, trying to translate human impulses into government responses is the source of great foolishness.

We should bring facts to the debate and not simply react based on our emotions.

-- Your freedom to be you, includes my freedom to be free from you.

View Joe Lyddon's profile

Joe Lyddon

7876 posts in 2772 days


#14 posted 12-28-2012 06:36 PM

Unintentional vs
Accidental

What is the difference?

Why didn’t they deem everything else that was not Unintentional… as Intentional?

Why do they always have to come with more complicated words to describe some that could be described so much simpler?

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

View TopamaxSurvivor's profile

TopamaxSurvivor

15006 posts in 2396 days


#15 posted 12-28-2012 07:09 PM

You’ll have to contact the Center for Disease Control and ask them Joe ;-)) My guess is the lasted round of corrections to achieve the highest and best level of political correctness. ;-((

-- "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

Have your say...

You must be signed in to reply.

DISCLAIMER: Any posts on LJ are posted by individuals acting in their own right and do not necessarily reflect the views of LJ. LJ will not be held liable for the actions of any user.

Latest Projects | Latest Blog Entries | Latest Forum Topics

HomeRefurbers.com

Latest Projects | Latest Blog Entries | Latest Forum Topics

GardenTenders.com :: gardening showcase