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Dinger

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586 days ago

Topic tags/keywords: question tip oak finishing arts and crafts

I need to turn to the woodworking braintrust, AKA lumberjocks.com, for this one. I’m fairly new to this hobby and working on my first “real” project: a pair of Arts and Crafts end tables. I did one at a time, and I’m finishing the first one. In order to get the color my wife wanted I used General Finishes’ Java gel stain and Arm-R-Seal topcoat. I let the stain dry for 12 hours in my 50-degree shop (garage) and then applied the Arm-R-Seal. Much to my chagrin, it seemed that the ARS was lifting (and smudging) the stain I applied earlier. Just for future reference, is this a result of the stain not being completely dry or is it perhaps I didn’t wipe off and rub in all areas sufficiently? If I decided to redo the finish, how should I go about that? What grit paper should I use? should I take it all the way back to the bare wood? Hand sand or random orbit? Here I thought the tough part was cutting and fitting… Thanks for your thoughts, fellas.

-- "Begin every endeaver with the end ever in mind."


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pintodeluxe

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#1 posted 586 days ago

Anytime you brush or wipe on a finish over compatable stain (ie oil based finish over oil based stain), there is the potential to lift off some stain. Spraying the finish will eliminate the problem.
Even then, I always wait 24 hours or more to let stain dry. I often have to heat the shop in the winter to get the stain to dry properly.
If you do decide to strip the finish, just use 80 grit ROS and detail sander. Then work up through the grits and re-stain. You will need to strip to bare wood, because any topcoat left behind will cause uneven apsorption of the stain.

-- Willie, Washington "If You Choose Not To Decide, You Still Have Made a Choice" - Rush

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JesseTutt

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#2 posted 586 days ago

12 hours is not enough IMHO. In a 50 degree room the finish will take much longer to dry than in a 70 degree shop. If possible I like to wait several days before applying a top finish over stain.

If you are concerned about the stain smudging, apply a 1lb coat of super blonde shellac over the stain (1 lb coat for a thin finish, super blonde so it does not color the wood). Shellac is pretty much the universal barrier between finishes.

-- Jesse, Saint Louis, Missouri

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BentheViking

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#3 posted 586 days ago

unless im sure something will dry quickly i usually try and give it 24 hours. And this time of year i will run a space heater to speed the process. regardless i hate finishing. I’m a woodworker not a finishworker. Good luck

-- It's made of wood. Real sturdy.--Chubbs Peterson

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Dinger

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#4 posted 575 days ago

Thanks for your insights. I have the other half of the pair to complete before I tackle the finishing again, perhaps next weekend. I will see if I can bring it into the house to let it dry, unless I can’t stand the off-gassing. If not I’ll try a space heater to further supplement heat.

Jesse: good to know. I hadn’t yet heard of using shellac that way. I don’t think my smudging would be a problem if it’s completely dry. I’m going to use some test pieces for dryness this time around beforehand.

Willie: Thanks for being specific. I may just tell folks I was going for a “rustic” look and leave it!

-- "Begin every endeaver with the end ever in mind."

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