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12-22-2012 09:57 PM

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Hi everyone, I have spent the last three years making sawdust with two basic $150 tablesaws from Lowes and have finally saved enough money to purchase a nice hybrid or cabinet style tablesaw and could use some advice on what to look for or avoid, what works for you and what doesn’t. At this point anything I buy is going to be an upgrade I know, and I am wanting to be able to have or add a good fence so that I can cut smaller widths and pieces and I want a large surface area so I can build a sled for it as well….any help is appreciated, thank you! Grizzly, shop fox, is what I have looked at so far….saw stop cabinet is just a little more than I have to spend….

-- Nicole


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#1 posted 12-22-2012 10:03 PM

There’s plenty of free advice here to be sure, and I know it has been talked to death on other threads, but to speak intelligently about it, we will need to know a few things, like, what kind of woodworking will you be doing, how much you have to spend, new or used?

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#2 posted 12-22-2012 10:15 PM

So far, I have Just ripped different hardwoods to Make cutting boards, and have glued up panels to cut out 45 degree strips to make chevrons that I messed up a whole bunch of times before I finally got it right on the small saw I have….I think I want new so as not to inherit someone else’s problem saw they trying to get rid of and I would like to hope I could get a decent saw for $1500 -$2000….I would like to evolve into making a whole table, not just the table top I have done so far…..mainly will be used for ripping strips of various sizes and then crosscutting panels to square up or on diagonal for designs…..

-- Nicole

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#3 posted 12-22-2012 10:27 PM

if your have searched on Ljs already you probably know that when it comes to table saws when someone wants a saw around $500 most of the time the Ridgid 4512 is recommended the most .Saws from $1200 to $1500 it seems that grizzly hybrid gets a lot of thumbs up. You already said your budget won’t be large enough for a Saw Stop,even so I would suggest even a contractor style Saw stop over the other saws

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#4 posted 12-22-2012 10:29 PM

Do you have 220v available? At $1294 delivered, the G1023RL is about the most bang for the buck going IMO….it’s a 3hp industrial cabinet saw, and requires 220v.

Grizzly hybrids run in the $800-$925 range

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#5 posted 12-22-2012 10:30 PM

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#6 posted 12-22-2012 10:41 PM

Yes, when I redid the old barn outback, I had it wired so I could one day have 220….and Jim that was a question for me, would the contractor saw stop do what I wanted it to and last, or to go with a hybrid or cabinet saw grizzly….so far I have all my fingers, granted one was a bit mutilated with my router table…

-- Nicole

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#7 posted 12-22-2012 10:46 PM

From my limited experience, I would look for a few things.

Cabinet mounted trunions, cast iron wings, good dust collection. Most hybrid saws should have those. I know a lot of fellow LJ’s are going to plug 220v 3hp cabinet saws which are great, however for a hobby woodworker who wants a nice saw there are a number to choose from in the $650 to $1000 range. Steel city, griz, Jet.

The fence is another consideration. I have a Craftsman hybrid that was on sale with good DC, cast wings, cabinet mounted trunions and a less than desirable fence. I like the saw, but plan on adding a Incra fence and link belt. I gave away the stock blade and use Freud fusion thin kerf blades with home made zero clearance inserts.

With all the upgrades I will have a top of the line fence, good DC, plenty of power running thin kerf blades,and dead on accuracy for around $1100.

-- Mike.... West Virginia. "Man is a tool using animal. Without tools he is nothing, with tools he is all.". T Carlyle

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#8 posted 12-22-2012 10:47 PM

Great blog link for me to read Scott, thanks!

-- Nicole

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#9 posted 12-22-2012 10:53 PM

Its difficult to recommend a table saw unless one has a crystal ball into what your future needs may be. Depends on how often you will be using it and what kind of woods and thicknesses you will be running . Obviously if you plan on running a full-time operation , or you cut a lot of thick hardwoods, then you want the beefiest power and saw you can afford.

I would think if you are a casual woodworker than just about any contractor saw (500-900 dollar range) would do. However, with a hybrid or cabinet saw you are getting more power, beefier components, and likely, larger table areas, and generally much better dust collection.

Buying a 3 hp industrial TS doesn’t make a lot of sense to me if you will not be cutting a lots and
lots of wood or thick hardwoods all the time. If budget wasn’t a concern I would say go for it. But in most cases budget is always a factor. I would recommend the hybrid and use the money you will save on other equipment
for your shop.

Usually it is better to buy more saw now, (if your budget allows) so you don’t have to upgrade down the road.

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#10 posted 12-22-2012 11:02 PM

Thanks Mike and Ronin….just have been so overwhelmed with choices and just not real sure how to narrow it down but you all have given me some excellent advice to go with…This saw will be used cutting hardwood mainly 8/4 sometimes, 4/4 most the time. Want something that I can grow into but at the same time I really like the idea of having money for other upgrades if a $2000 saw is over buying….definitely want a good fence… Spent a lot of time with my tape measure and calipers on that saw from Lowes, but guess what, it worked! Thank you everyone for all the input, going to scour the sites and see what I can come up with…

-- Nicole

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#11 posted 12-22-2012 11:13 PM

There’s really no comparison in how an industrial cabinet saw and a hybrid are built…..all the advantages lean towards the cabinet saw. If you’ve got 220v and the budget, a cabinet saw like the Griz, Shop Fox, or possibly a Steel City, offer more saw for the money than anything else out there IMHO. That’s not to say that you need that much saw to do the job. A top hybrid will do a good job of just about all tasks for a hobbyist, but there’s often not much of a price difference between a top hybrid and cabinet saw, so buying a less substantially built saw doesn’t make sense to me in those cases if 220v is available.

The finger saving technology of the Saw Stop means different things to different people, so it’s a personal decision we each need to make. In the $3 and $4k range, the Saw Stop PCS and ICS are top shelf saws throughout regardless of the benefit of the safety feature. At $1750, the Saw Stop contractor saw is the least expensive way of obtaining that technology, but it offers steel wings, an outboard motor, and a pretty humble fence….the guts are well built, but the topside features are much more similar to a saw costing 1/3 the price, meaning the safety feature comes at a premium on that particular model. Upgrading the fence and wings adds several hundred more to the equation.

In the end, if you choose a full size saw with a belt drive induction motor, you’ve got the basis of a good table saw. The end performance is largely determined by setup and blade selection, provided the fence and miter gauge are adequate.

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#12 posted 12-22-2012 11:35 PM

So here’s a question, does the grizzly, shop fox or steel city come with an adequate/accurate fence and miter gauge or is it something you automatically buy in addition to the new saw?

-- Nicole

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#13 posted 12-22-2012 11:51 PM

Nicole, if you feel up to saving a bit more, I would get the sawstop 3HP pcs if you have 220, if not the 1.75 version of the same saw. The first time you have blade to flesh contact, the saw paid for itself many times over. It’s the direction I’m heading if things go properly after new years.

If those are way out of budget, I’d go for a cabinet saw. Grixxly gets a lot of nods, steel city also makes some great cabinet saws in your price range. Most cabinet saws come with good fences, even the miter gauges aren’t too bad. If you’ll be doing a lot of angles, get one with positive stops like an incra, osborne, etc. I have the incra v27 and it works fine for me.

Shop and spend carefully, and you can have a saw that you will pass down to your kids.
I’m on saw #3 and it’s still not my final saw…

-- He who dies with the most tools... dies with the emptiest wallet.

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#14 posted 12-22-2012 11:57 PM

I would use what you have first, try it out for a while, learn to tune the saw and dial it in. A dial indicator may help or any number of tools to help align the blade, fence and slots. This site aling with many others will provide video and instructions on proper saw tuning.

Whatever saw you get, spend the time and read the manuals, find out what it can do, how to properly adjust everything. You will be spending a lot of time together.

-- Mike.... West Virginia. "Man is a tool using animal. Without tools he is nothing, with tools he is all.". T Carlyle

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#15 posted 12-23-2012 12:00 AM

Mike, she’s been using her current saws for the past 3 years…

-- He who dies with the most tools... dies with the emptiest wallet.

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