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moke

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610 days ago

I am looking for recommendations to make an oak cabinet look as dark as walnut. I really do not like using gel stain, and normal stain just seems to not be dark enough. I am looking for recommendations,
Thanks for your help,
Mike


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WillAdams

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#1 posted 610 days ago

Fuming w/ ammonia?

If you want it darker (approaching black) there’s always ebonizing w/ the classic vinegar-steel wool (rust) solution—- I find you have to use a grain filler ‘cause the pores won’t take the stain though.

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lumberjoe

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#2 posted 610 days ago

Try Watco Dark Walnut danish oil. My wife loves to use Minwax Ebony stain on a lot of things. On Oak veneered plywood it comes out almost black.

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Cosmicsniper

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#3 posted 610 days ago

Mike:

Stain normally, which will give contrast to the grain. Then, add some dye or stain (same or different) to your first finish coat (I like dewaxed shellac) and spray it on top (brushing works too). This will give the darkness you need without having to resort to a gel stain.

Staining alone doesn’t get dark enough because it requires more absorption than the wood can yield. Using the finish as a vehicle for additional color (as a toner) will finish the job.

BTW, the same process is a great way to ebonize a project. Using ebony stain in an oil poly will really darken up a project.

-- jay, www.allaboutastro.com

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Cosmicsniper

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#4 posted 610 days ago

I also concur with Joe that the Watco Dark Walnut Danish oil will probably give you the darkness you need.

-- jay, www.allaboutastro.com

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tenontim

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#5 posted 610 days ago

Walnut aniline dye. Water based is the most color fast. You can top that with the Watco to even out the color and seal it.

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moke

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#6 posted 610 days ago

Cosmicsniper—-
I am dreadful at finishing….I like regular old stain and wipe on poly or lately I have been using an earlex….it has worked for me for years…well obvioulsy not this time…
When you use dewaxed shellac do you put poly or varnish over it…is it just a prep coat?

As far as Watco, I actually have some of that, and like it a lot. I put it on with sand paper and it gives an awesome finish. I have always wondered how soon can you actually poly over it?

Thanks for the help…
Mike

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#7 posted 610 days ago

I use General finishes dye/stain. With this product you can control the darkness by adding more coats or by thinning the product down will make a lighter coat.Other stains seal off the wood so after one or two coats that’s as dark as it’s going to get.
http://www.generalfinishes.com/retail-products/water-base-wood-stains-dyes/waterbase-wood-dye-stains#.UNCclOTAcuA

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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Cosmicsniper

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#8 posted 610 days ago

Yeah, shellac becomes the first coat of the finish and you just use a normal finish atop of it…but to use shellac, you need an aniline dye like TransTint to color it. I like the dyes, and therefore I use shellac a lot.

But try this instead…

Take an oak test board with an oil stain of your choice and stain normally..which will pop the grain a bit. Then, pour a little of that wipe-on poly in a cup with a slight amount of that same stain. Apply to the board, preferably with the Earlex, but even if you wipe it on you’ll notice that the board will darken up with each subsequent coat…put a lot of the stain in the poly if you want it to get dark faster.

I recommend the stain first because using a toner alone can conceal the grain too much.

One of the easiest ways to solve unevenness when staining is to simply add some of the stain to the finish…but people hear the word “toner” and they freak out.

-- jay, www.allaboutastro.com

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Cosmicsniper

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#9 posted 610 days ago

Experiment also using a ebony oil stain. Take a test board and stain it normally with many applications…and of course there is a limit to how dark it gets. Once at that point, apply the toner…and watch it get as pitch black as you want it.

-- jay, www.allaboutastro.com

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moke

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#10 posted 610 days ago

Thanks everyone——these are some awesome suggestions!!!

Limberjoe—-Watco is a “go to” product

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BorkBob

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#11 posted 610 days ago

My granddaughter wants her china cabinet to be “dark reddish brown”. I’m using cherry because I have a bunch of it and the price was right. After many trials of many products, I am using red mahogany dye mixed in denatured alcohol for the first 3-4 coats. I’m then top coating with the dye mixed in thinned amber shellac.

This (lousy) pic shows the frame with 4 coats of dye and one coat of dyed shellac. The panels have 2 coats of dye.

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pintodeluxe

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#12 posted 610 days ago

This is Varathane Dark Walnut on Quartersawn Red Oak, with lacquer as a topcoat. It is my second favorite brand of stain (first is Rodda), and is very easy to work with. It won’t streak, and gives a fairly dark finish.

This desk is the same stain on cherry. I used a washcoat of shellac as a pre-stain conditioner on the cherry desk.

-- Willie, Washington "If You Choose Not To Decide, You Still Have Made a Choice" - Rush

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TCCcabinetmaker

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#13 posted 610 days ago

I use cabot stains basically for the same reason jim uses the one he uses. The cabot I use is a pigment stain instead of a dye stain, so it works differently from the minwax I only rarely use now days.

However if you can’t get it dark enough in one staining, you can always put a sealer coat on then glaze it darker, but unfortunately you need a pigment or gel stain for the glazing.

-- The mark of a good carpenter is not how few mistakes he makes, but rather how well he fixes them.

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bandit571

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#14 posted 610 days ago

Minwax Dark Walnut stain, two coats. Owner didn’t want anything else on it as far as a finish.

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MedicKen

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#15 posted 610 days ago

I used Minwax Ebony stain on a hall table a few years ago. I did use a sanding sealer under the stain to help with the blotching of the oak. It evens out the stain and makes it more uniform. The table is almost black. I would try it on a piece of scrap first to see if it what you want.

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