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Forum topic by Purrmaster posted 12-13-2012 09:15 AM 1697 views 0 times favorited 30 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Purrmaster

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12-13-2012 09:15 AM

I just killed two good router bits. The edges appear to have snapped or sheared off. I couldn’t believe it. These were both carbide router bits with 1/2 inch shanks. I was using my router table.

I was trying to cut a rabbet into some purpleheart. Things seemed to be going okay but then I started getting weird vibrations. I stopped the machine to find out that the edges were gone. Broken off. It wasn’t a case of a bad joint between the carbide edges and the rest of the bit.

In other words, I don’t think I can blame the bit manufacturer. I can only assume I did something wrong.

One bit was from MCLS woodworking (their 15 bit starter set) and the other was a Wood River (Woodcraft) bit. I’ve used the bits before on other tasks both topside and with the router table and they were fine. Both bits are pretty new (in the fact the Wood River one was brand new).

Is it possible that purpleheart is just too hard for routing?

I’d like to figure out how I screwed up so I can avoid more destroyed bits.


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live4ever

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#1 posted 12-13-2012 09:28 AM

If I had to guess it would be taking too large a bite in one pass on a very hard wood. How much were you trying to take off in each pass?

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#2 posted 12-13-2012 09:31 AM

Purpleheart is obviously a very dense wood. Usually, with the denser species, it si recommended to take multiple passes and adjust the fence a little bit at a time to gradually reach the depth you want.

I wouldn’t let the manufacturer off the hook entirely though. A 15 bit set like this from MCLS is around 40 bucks. That means each carbide bit is around 3 bucks. Take away the markup from production, and I am guessing the amount of carbide is pretty minimal.

I generally recommend that when people buy sets, they buy it based on the bit type they need for a project. For example, if you need a 1/2 inch roundover bit, get the full set of four if you can. That will cost you around 40 bucks also, but each bit will be about 10 bucks a piece and probably will give you better carbide at a reasonable price. And, you more than likely will use the whole set. Some bits I just buy separately from MCLS. I pay more, but get a better product than what is given in these types of sets.

I have no experience with woodriver so can’t speak about that particular bit. How much were you cutting on one pass?

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#3 posted 12-13-2012 09:32 AM

Obviously a common theme here :) live4ever posted while I was typing.

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Purrmaster

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#4 posted 12-13-2012 10:15 AM

I have a feeling the answer may be trying to cut too much.

I was probably trying to cut a rabbet about 3/4 of an inch deep and probably about 4 inches long. I was munching on a substantial amount of wood.

I’m pretty green with routers but I made deep cuts before and didn’t have this issue. But purpleheart is easily the heaviest wood I’ve ever worked with.

I would blame the maker except the same thing happens with two different bits from entirely different sources? The common thread is me and I blame myself. Hence why I don’t want it to happen again.

I would have thought if I was cutting too much that the result would be that the router would bog down. Not that the carbide would break.

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David Craig

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#5 posted 12-13-2012 10:19 AM

My guess is your motor was stronger than the bit. The bit broke before the motor could bog.

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#6 posted 12-13-2012 01:07 PM

It was probably a combination of bit brand and taking too much in a single pass.
I work fairly often with purpleheart and use whiteside bits and haven’t had any issues, but I take small bites too.

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#7 posted 12-13-2012 01:17 PM

I had an Amana 1/2in shank 1/4in upcut bit break off on my horizontal mortiser. I swear I was just starting the cut and really did NOT think that I had taken too big a bite, and the bit just broke off at the 1/4—1.2 shank base. While Amana warrants their bits, the hoops you have to jump through (shipping original back) costs you nearly as much as the individual bit.

I just went out and purchased another, and saved myself the grief. I also pay very close attention to how I use them because I do not want to think that I had missed something or caused the break from poor technique.

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#8 posted 12-13-2012 02:08 PM

I think it’s the quality of the bits.

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#9 posted 12-13-2012 02:24 PM

Those are not the best bits, but taking a 3/4” bite is way too much for a single pass in purple heart, no matter what bit you are using. I wouldn’t take a bite that big on pine.

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Purrmaster

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#10 posted 12-13-2012 09:22 PM

If it was just the bits I could see getting a Freud or Whiteside bit. But I don’t want to get an even more expensive bit and then wreck that.

So the consensus seems to be that I took too big a bite too quickly. I guess I’m still amazed that carbide met purpleheart and the purpleheart won.

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#11 posted 12-13-2012 09:34 PM

I’ll bet if you send an email to MLCS and tell them your bit broke they will replace it. Don’t know about Whiteside as I don’t use their bits(nothing wrong with them just don’t use them)

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#12 posted 12-13-2012 11:12 PM

I never take more than 3/8 at a time with a 3/4 bit.

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#13 posted 12-13-2012 11:28 PM

Was this cut on an edge or somewhere in the middle of the wood? If the latter, it may be the bit wasn’t clearing the waste out of the rabbet fast enough. Not sure whether that can overstresss a bit, but it’s something to ponder.

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#14 posted 12-14-2012 12:03 AM

If you know where to shop for whitesides, they’re at or cheaper than a lot of the store brand bits. Check holbren or hartvilletool.

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#15 posted 12-14-2012 02:47 AM

I don’t care what brand you use they will all be trashed out when you take way to much at one time. Not to mention your router bearings. It is just not a safe practice. I have a set of Wood River and they have been great. Whiteside and Freud as well.

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