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Forum topic by Sirgreggins posted 12-11-2012 02:19 AM 1486 views 4 times favorited 48 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Sirgreggins

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12-11-2012 02:19 AM

Hey guys, i’m gearing up to build the wood whisperer wall shelf. i’m using cherry which of course blotches. I have a few questions about CN’s pre conditioner though. Since i want the cherry to speak for it self and let it darken i need help with 3 finishing scearios for my schedule

3 scenarios for using it:
1.) Pre conditioner then straight to Arm R Seal topcoat 3-4 coats

2.) Pre conditioner GF light brown dye, then Arm R Seal 3-4 topcoat coats

3.) pre conditioner, coat of 1-2 lb cut. dewaxed shellac, then Arm R Seal topcoat 3-4 coats

can i go straight to topcoat for a natural look?
Thanks in advance.


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#1 posted 12-11-2012 02:21 AM

Why not ask Mr. Neil.

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#2 posted 12-11-2012 03:03 AM

If you have the conditioner I think it’s listed on the container. My recall is that you do one coat let it set over night and sand to 400 apply second coat sand to 600 . But as my good buddy Juniorjock says you might want to check with Charles charles@charlesneilwoodworking.com

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#3 posted 12-11-2012 03:42 AM

LOL

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#4 posted 12-11-2012 05:28 AM

I’m going to say this, with utmost respect to Mr. Neil, but If you can’t go straight from conditioner to Arm R Seal, then it’s not much of a product. I would think that that would not be an issue. Typically, it would be the dye step that exacerbates the blotching.

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#5 posted 12-11-2012 02:14 PM

I didnt think going straight to the Arm R Seal would be an issue but i tried some shellac on a few test pieces and the shellac caused blotching as well. i think the inherent color of the shellac itself may have caused it. I’m going to end up using the pre conditioner no mater what just to keep my sanity and for other projects. but i wanted to get you guys’ opinions on this. Thanks

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#6 posted 12-11-2012 02:24 PM

Can you spray your finishes?

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#7 posted 12-11-2012 02:25 PM

do have a spray gun, but i’ve been told spraying arm r seal can be a huge mess and living in new england, i dont know if it would be too cold to spray outdoors

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#8 posted 12-11-2012 02:30 PM

I didn’t suggest spraying the Arm-R-Seal. I was implying to spray the shellac washcoat.

BTW, you mentioned “inherent color” in reference to the shellac…use Zinsser Sealcoat instead diluted 50% with alcohol (1 lbs. cut). It has less color than what you are probably using.

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#9 posted 12-11-2012 02:32 PM

OH sorry, haha. i could certainly do that.

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#10 posted 12-11-2012 02:37 PM

I’ve got only good things to say about Charles’ products. But since he is the expert I think he would be very happy to answer your question. Send him an email and I am sure you’ll get all of the assistance you need!

-Then post what he says here so we all can benefit!

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#11 posted 12-11-2012 02:40 PM

BTW, I haven’t used Charles’ product. Use it on some test pieces. By reputation it should work fine. Probably no need for the shellac…its just what I usually do.

I’m sure Charles will pop on to give you advice regarding proper use of that product.

-- jay, www.allaboutastro.com

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#12 posted 12-11-2012 02:49 PM

hang tight guys, , I happen to have a 10’ board in front of me as we speak, your timing is perfect, the prestain will definately handle the blotch, thats not an issue, the issue is can we control oils from blotching without it. yea thats what I said, WITHOUT it. I think we can, and simply Here is the issue, the oils do not afford any color, well a couple have some amber/yellow to them , but by in large they are clear, as well as most lacquers, but they can also change the woods color. its a reaction the solvents have with the wood, so what happens is the oils when applied as is typical in, a heavy coat , let sit, wipe off, add more to dull spots, they can blotch like crazy. What is happening is the oils are being absorbed more by the soft grains, more oil = more reaction = more blotch. Thinner oils, like oil prestians are worse, also slower drying oils, like BlO and Danish , also are more prone.
so all of that said, we are testing some different applications to see if we can cure it . Be back later today with some answers

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Sirgreggins

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#13 posted 12-11-2012 02:52 PM

Thank you sir charles. you are a wealth of knowledge and i’ve been watching all your videos since i started wood working last year. Cant wait to find out what your results are.

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#14 posted 12-11-2012 08:37 PM

ok folks will be in the am, we have experiments drying over night . hang tight

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#15 posted 12-11-2012 08:55 PM

this will be great for getting some sleep lol.

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