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12-06-2012 11:59 PM

Topic tags/keywords: greene greene design element gg tsuba woodworking technique tsuba

The days of making work shop furniture may be coming to an end. My wife recently commented that our kitchen cabinets weren’t as nice as some of my shop furniture and wondered if maybe it was time to update. Granted the kitchen is 20 years old, but it looked fine to me. At any rate, long story short, we’ve decided to explore Greene and Greene style interior and furniture redoes.

After collecting all the books I can find on G&G, including Darrell Peart’s Design Elements for the Workshop, and Bob Lang’s Shop Drawings for G&G Furniture, I have not found anything on how to construct the tsuba detail. The tsuba is the guard on the katana sword and the shape used in many accents and shapes in G&G furniture.

Have any of you made this tsuba element; and, if so would you share your techniques? Or, in the alternative, does anyone have a reference for this construction technique?

Thanks.

-- John C. -- "Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth." George Washington


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#1 posted 12-07-2012 12:06 AM

Hi John. I don’t even know what Greene and Greene is- that’s how ignorant I am.
Sorry I can’t help out here…...........Jim

-- Jim Jakosh.....Practical Wood Products...........Learn something new every day!! Variety is the Spice of Life!!

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#2 posted 12-07-2012 12:18 AM

Jim: I’m really disappointed because if you did, you are one LJ who would have this figured out.

-- John C. -- "Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth." George Washington

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#3 posted 12-07-2012 12:43 AM

Hey John:

There are so many applications for the tsuba in G&G that techniques for construction will depend on how it’s used. In some cases, it’s cut into a panel. Others, it’s simply a pair of cloud lifts adjacent to each other along their long side.

Do you have a specific idea for how you will use the element?

-- jay, www.allaboutastro.com

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#4 posted 12-07-2012 01:03 AM

John. Please don’t take this the wrong way…....... I believe you could make one hell-of-a kitchen cabinetry your own self. Of coarse, any “inspirations”, would be a plus, but, I don’t feel you need any. There, I’ve said it. Now, git out in the shop, n git to creating…............... LOL luv ya man.

-- Roger from KY. Work/Play/Travel Safe. Kentuk55@bellsouth.net

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#5 posted 12-07-2012 01:07 AM

Jay, my interest is in the ebony inlay used in the Gamble main bedroom bed, a version of which Darrell Peart posted in his project: http://lumberjocks.com/projects/37816

I’m pretty new to this area and didn’t even know Greene and Greene existed until I joined LJs the first of this year—so don’t feel bad Jim. I was not aware of the tsuba being used except in the ebony inlays and the shape of the dinning table in the Gamble house, let alone your reference to a pair of cloud lifts adjacent to each other along the long side, but I can see it now that you call it to my attention. A lot to learn, but you got to start somewhere.

Thanks for any help you can give.

-- John C. -- "Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth." George Washington

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#6 posted 12-07-2012 01:09 AM

Thanks Roger. I appreciate the vote of confidence. I’ve always been handicapped by having to research and over think everything. I only learned to cast in fly fishing after I threw out all the books and videos—just went out and did it. So, you have a valid point.

-- John C. -- "Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth." George Washington

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#7 posted 12-07-2012 01:18 AM

I’ve been sippin on a few bottles o spiced wine, and I may or may not have said somethin improper…. LOL just kiddin… I’ve got be confidence in you sir. PLUS, if it cuts off a Zombies head, who cares what it looks like… hehehe told ya I’m a bit under the weather

-- Roger from KY. Work/Play/Travel Safe. Kentuk55@bellsouth.net

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#8 posted 12-07-2012 01:22 AM

Roger, nothing improper. Shared your humor with my wife and she loved it. If you’re under the weather, better have some spiced spirits. LOL

-- John C. -- "Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth." George Washington

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#9 posted 12-07-2012 01:26 AM

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#10 posted 12-07-2012 01:39 AM

You could also go over to Darrell Peart’s web site and join his forum and post the question there and I bet you would get the answer you are looking for as his site is all about G & G. Then let us know of course. :)

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#11 posted 12-07-2012 01:48 AM

Nicky, thanks for the references. On the first, my interest is pic #6, the ebony inlay in the Gamble master bedroom bed. But, unless I missed it there wasn’t any discussion on how this detail was constructed. What I’m trying to find out is the construction technique for this detail.

-- John C. -- "Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth." George Washington

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#12 posted 12-07-2012 01:51 AM

rustynails—Did that this afternoon but no answer yet. However, I did find out that the Gamble house kitchen is done in maple, which is what I want to do with our kitchen. Thanks.

-- John C. -- "Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth." George Washington

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#13 posted 12-07-2012 02:40 AM

HillbillyShooter,

For through hole, you start by shaping the hole to the desired shape. The walls of the hole need to be square to the face and back of the panel. The walls of the hole are lined with your tsuba material that has been shaped to fit. Once lined, you route a rabbit around the lined hole and fit the outer layer, that is now inlayed over the hole, standing a bit proud of the surface. The inlay is glued, then fitted with decorative brass tacks.

This is nothing more then very creative inlay work. The key, and the mark of good work is the fit, and that my friend is will take some practice.

Youtube has dozens of vids on technique. take a look at

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDo2zBDeAEc
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3Q58SKDAEA

Plywood and some scraps are a cheap way to practice.

-- Nicky

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#14 posted 12-07-2012 03:22 AM

Nicky,

Thank you for the help. Now that you’ve explained it, seems simple enough. Pretty much like Roger said, just get up off your gluttius and do it. I appreciate you taking the time to respond.

John

-- John C. -- "Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth." George Washington

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#15 posted 12-07-2012 03:25 AM

Good luck with your build. I’m a big fan of G&G

-- Nicky

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