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Forum topic by Cosmicsniper posted 11-30-2012 02:35 PM 1791 views 0 times favorited 5 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Cosmicsniper

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11-30-2012 02:35 PM

Topic tags/keywords: box corner post dovetails humidor

Friends:

I am getting close to finishing up my first humidor. It is dimensioned to hold approximately 225 cigars, which is a box of approximately 15” x 10” x 7” exterior dimensions. Stock for the sides is 1/2”. It will have a frame and panel lid, so it will sit directly on the box top, meaning that the Spanish cedar liner on the lid will come down inside the box to form the seal. In other words, the liner for the box will not rise above the box itself, but is instead recessed to receive a beveled lining from the lid. Hope that makes sense.

The box has decorative double-corner post dovetails (thank you, Incra), though I have modified the joints to connect those sides via locked miter joints, since I think it’s a more stable joint than the cornerpost. Here is a sneak preview of the actual dovetails…

My question is about hardware. I want a nice lock, to hold down the lid and, perhaps, drawing it in tightly to assure a good seal. I also would like super nice quadrant or side-post hinges/stays; however, I am scared to death about trying them because I’ve never done either. This box is a one shot deal because of the above dovetails…no shortening the box if I screw up the mortises. I’d like something that isn’t visible from the outside, except for the knuckle, of course.

So, what would you do? Would you face the challenge of the difficult to install hinges? Would you recommend a classy alternative? Any tips for either? What about a lock that you might recommend?

Thanks in advance, LJs!

-- jay, www.allaboutastro.com


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#1 posted 11-30-2012 02:51 PM

Oh, and the lid does overhang the box sides about 1/8” on all sides.

-- jay, www.allaboutastro.com

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#2 posted 11-30-2012 04:38 PM

Okay, in studying more about quadrant hinges, I think I can do the mortise cuts on the router table with fence and stops. I would certainly practice on other stock first. So, I think I’ll go in that direction.

Still, any recommendations on a certain make of hinge for that? How about a lock?

-- jay, www.allaboutastro.com

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#3 posted 11-30-2012 06:28 PM

Hmm, might be an issue with quadrant hinges with the cantilevered lid.

Anybody ever fussed with those things? Come on, let me learn by your screw ups!

-- jay, www.allaboutastro.com

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#4 posted 11-30-2012 08:24 PM

You might use Brusso quadrant hinges and buy their installation jig. It really makes it easy with a handheld router and bushings. But practice first before you start routing the good stuff that you put in so much time on.
The overhang may be problematic as was stated, but not impossible. You will have this problem with any knuckled hinges though. I will be attempting to do the same with a cigar chest that I am working on now. I think I have a plan, but I will test it on “test corners” of scrap with an overhang lid also of scrap. I plan on insetting the quadrant hinge and 1/2 of the knuckle in the flat surface of the lid, just as I would do if the lid had a matching edge to the side of the box. Hope it works, but if not, I’ll resort to Plan B, of which I have NO CLUE as to what that is if plan A craters. As they say on TV, “film at 11:00”

A full or 1/2 mortise box lock with escutcheon will knock it out of the park. Just do the side mortise before you assemble the box. You can mark and mortise the latch plate in the lid after the hinges are on and lined up. A hint if I may? Drill the hinge holes with a VIX bit and use nickle screws and beeswax initially to mount the hinges, then replace the nickle with the brass as the very last step after finishing and everything. Generously lube the soft brass screws with beeswax too.

I understand your liner perfectly. I do mine the same way with rule joint type mating parts. I use a 3/8 cove and matching 3/8 roundover with a filet.

-- Improvidus, Apto quod Victum-- Improvise, Adapt, Overcome

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#5 posted 11-30-2012 08:54 PM

That is all kinds of awesome, Woodbum. Thanks for the information and tips. I was certainly planning on pre-screwing with other screws, especially since I actually have the tops and bottoms of my box sides lined with hard maple.

My box tops have traditionally been removable tops or traditional hinges. Never done the fancy stuff, though I have built integrated hinges before, like Shipwright. I’ve just never done fancy stuff like the quadrants before. Eventually, being an Incra guy, I will experiment with wooden hinges, but I haven’t done that yet.

Brusso hinges were certainly my first choice, but holy heck you can spend some money on them! Add the template and you are pushing a whole bill. Even so, I think it probably pays for itself in piece of mind, repeatability, and accuracy…and I’d have the template should I use them again.

I’ll definitely do a lock as you described. That’s very useful.

Great idea on the cove/round-over mating for the lining. I thought about doing something similar, but I hadn’t exactly pictured that part of it yet.

-- jay, www.allaboutastro.com

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