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JSB

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607 days ago

Here is my position. I have been trying to build my shop without taking any money from my household income. The past 2 months have been great for me. I came across a company that ended up spending a lot of money my way. So far this one job has allowed me to buy a $600 table saw, 8 36”-48” clamps, a benchtop drill press, and a scroll saw. I will be wrapping up the final projects this weekend or early next week and will have $700 profit left over. Most of my projects have been with construction grade pine. I chose my projects based upon what tools I have but would like to expand my work. I have never made anything with curves because of the lack of a bandsaw. I have never made anything out of the 2x or 1x sizes becuase I do not have a planer. I have never tackled anything that requried great precision because I do not have a jointer. I am very pleased with my new
Porter-Cable table saw so im debating sticking with PC.

I was thinking of getting this band saw:
http://www.lowes.com/pd_78159-46069-PCB330BS_0__?productId=3162487

And this planer:
http://www.lowes.com/pd_80882-70-PC305TP_0__?Ntt=porter+cable+planer&UserSearch=porter+cable+planer&productId=3044121&rpp=24

With my military discount I can take them both out the door for $672.17

I have been looking on craigslist for used items for 2-3 months now. In my area I cant find any woodworking tools at decent prices let alone in good condition.

Is there something else essential in your shop that you would suggest that I take into consideration? What would you do?

-- Jay - http://www.jayscustomcreations.com or http://www.woodworkingwithsketchup.com


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Monte Pittman

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#1 posted 607 days ago

Planer, absolutely. For me it’s essential. I have a bandsaw that I really wish I would have waited for a much better one.

-- Mother Nature created it, I just assemble it. - It's not ability that we often lack, but the patience to use our ability

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JSB

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#2 posted 607 days ago

Are the more expensive units worth the extra money? Lowes has a couple 3 head dewalts that are more. The PC is only 2 heads. Unfortunately Lowes is the only place I can go locally to get tools without driving a half hour to Home Depot or an hour to harbor freight.

-- Jay - http://www.jayscustomcreations.com or http://www.woodworkingwithsketchup.com

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crank49

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#3 posted 607 days ago

I think the DeWalts are extremely popular, and that must be for a reason. The 735 is the best, but would eat your whole budget.
I don’t have a DeWalt myself because I noticed virtually all the machines out there have the same motor and cutter head. I got a Ryobi at Home Depot that had been returned in the 30day free return program. It had a new machine warranty, so I figured why not? since it was onlt $150. Works well for me.

Do you have access to rough sawn lumber?

I personally would rather have a band saw than a planer. I use my bandsaw all the time. My planer about once every 6 months. I prefer to use hand planes most of the time. But that’s me. YMMV

-- Michael :-{| “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” ― A H

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#4 posted 606 days ago

Tough question, you might as well have asked if people had a favorite child :)

I use my bandsaw and planer more than any other power tools, with the jointer coming in a close second. If I had to choose between the two though, I’d agree with Monte and get a planer. You can cut curves with a much cheaper jigsaw or coping saw but there’s not much that will replace a planer for less $$$.

-- Perilous to all of us are the devices of an art deeper than we ourselves possess. --Gandalf the Grey http://davidwahl.org/category/woodworking/

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Dallas

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#5 posted 606 days ago

I had that PC planer and it was so bad for snipe I finally sold it on eBay.

I then got a Delta 22-580, used, and have been happy with it since then.

Another member here gave me his Craftsman granite deck planer and I use it for finish planing only.

My bandsaw is an old Crapsman 12” with 6” re-saw capacity and I have almost totally rebuilt it. It cuts accurately, no drift and although it doesn’t have much resaw capacity, it does allow me to cut wider board than most using a fence.

My recommendation is to pay more money for a good planer like the above mentioned DeWalt or the Delta 22-590, (You can use them for jointing if you use a sled), and look for a used bad saw in your area that will work for your needs, preferably nothing under 12”-14”.

-- Improvise.... Adapt...... Overcome!

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Kreegan

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#6 posted 606 days ago

Do you have a Sears nearby? What do you think of this bandsaw? It has 2 more inches of resaw capability.

http://www.sears.com/craftsman-14-inch-band-saw/p-00932607000P?prdNo=2&blockNo=2&blockType=G2

I think 6” is the bare minimum you want to go with. If you’re willing to spend a bit more money, you can get a Rikon 10-325 for around 800-900.

http://www.highlandwoodworking.com/rikon-14-deluxe-bandsaw.aspx

There’s also the Grizzly G0555LX here. It’s only 6”, but has an available riser kit.

http://www.grizzly.com/products/14-Deluxe-Bandsaw/G0555LX

I think you really want a band saw. That opens up so many options for you in terms of the material you can use, since you’ll be able to resaw. Of course, once you resaw, you’ll want to plane those pieces. I do it with hand planes, but that’s time consuming.

I dunno. It’s sort of a settle for less now and likely regret it versus perhaps waiting and saving a bit and getting something you’ll be happier with long term kind of decision.

Rich;)

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Surfside

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#7 posted 606 days ago

Most woodworkers would say planer is essential . And that makes sense. Get planer first, then bandsaw.
Check this LINK . Read that thread , I think it will help you.

-- "someone has to be wounded for others to be saved, someone has to sacrifice for others to feel happiness, someone has to die so others could live"

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a1Jim

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#8 posted 606 days ago

I agree with getting a planner first. If you get the planner you can make rough wood smooth and plan material down to a thinner dimension. Since you using rough sawn material a planner will help you maker nicer projects and hopefully widen the range of projects you can make to sell. Of course have a new band saw would help to . I know you are trying to stay in you $700 range but if you can a floor model planner is a much better investment something like this one

http://www.grizzly.com/products/15-3-HP-220V-Planer-Polar-Bear-Series-/G0453P

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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helluvawreck

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#9 posted 606 days ago

I would get the planer first but I would also get the band saw and joiner as well. I realize you will have to wait on the other two but you sure are going about it the right way.

helluvawreck aka Charles
http://woodworkingexpo.wordpress.com

-- If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau

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John Ormsby

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#10 posted 606 days ago

I had the chance to use a Dewalt 735 last summer and will tell you it is the best small planer out there. It is well worth the money. I would look for an old Rockwell or a Delta 14” band saw for general small work. It is a tough decision to make, but having quality tools is a major part of being a successful woodworker.

-- Oldworld, Fair Oaks, Ca

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Luke

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#11 posted 606 days ago

I can say that I was drooling and hoping over the Dewalt 735 and ended up getting a 734 planer. I haven’t regretted it since. Smaller capacity and smaller motor, but it hasn’t given me a hiccup, no snipe. Just a few weeks ago trying to get some twist out of some ‘free’ 6/4 white oak I got, I had to plane it down to 3/4” and the 734 didn’t hesitate a bit.

As for the band saw, its a fairly common design, that can be had on CL or used for MUCH cheaper. I personally don’t see the benefit of buying the PC bandsaw new other than a warranty for a year. But in most cases a used HF bandsaw will cost $125-150 and will require the same amount of work to get it to run ‘smooth’

I would recommend a jointer and planer before a bandsaw, just for the sake of knowing you can square and dimension lumber to your exact needs without hogging away at it with a hand plane.

Someone said Dewalts are popular, must be for a reason. I’m telling you my 734 is a champ, and it hasn’t changed in design since at least 1998, so it works.

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#12 posted 606 days ago

Planer, jointer, and router are pretty hard to do without. In the short term, you can use a jigsaw to get by. At the point you find yourself cutting lots of curved parts or wanting to resaw—-> a bandsaw is great.

-- Willie, Washington "If You Choose Not To Decide, You Still Have Made a Choice" - Rush

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JSB

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#13 posted 606 days ago

After reading these comments and the suggested threads I believe I will spend the majority on a nice planer. So far I’m thinking the Dewalt 735. I do have a scroll saw to cut curves. The band saw will wait until I have more need than want.

-- Jay - http://www.jayscustomcreations.com or http://www.woodworkingwithsketchup.com

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teejk

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#14 posted 606 days ago

I use the planer more than the bandsaw. But the bandsaw does come in handy when I face a cut on the TS or miter saw that makes my internal alarms go off (learned the hard way but still have all 10 digits solely because of luck and perhaps a belief in a higher power).

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derosa

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#15 posted 606 days ago

I’ll agree with planer first. Bandsaws seem to show up on craigslist with more frequency then anything other then benchtop tablesaws so I’d go that route. I did and it was the best single purchase for the money vs. usefulness.
I also agree with A1Jim, it sounds like you are doing this for business purposes and without a doubt the slightly wider and sturdier designs will benefit you in the long term. There are several 15” floor model planers out there and with Christmas sales coming I’d pay a lot of attention to sales and really shop around and you may get away with just under 1000 shipped. Although the dewalt is really nice I find the blades at 50.00 a set to be quite costly. My first pair lasted almost 2 years but the newest set almost needs to be flipped after 6 months due to switching over to rough cut lumber to save money, I still only get shop time 2-3 days a week. Bigger planer blades can be resharpened rather then disposed of and will save you more in the long run.

-- --Rev. Russ in NY-- A posse ad esse

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