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Forum topic by PurpLev posted 11-26-2012 07:35 AM 6144 views 0 times favorited 43 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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11-26-2012 07:35 AM

just thought I’d point it out if anyone might be interested – Lee Valley is having a cyber monday sale on mfg. seconds at some very attractive prices ($50 -$100 off of best seller hand planes)

first come first serve, those sell out fast like hot buns.

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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#1 posted 11-26-2012 03:05 PM

Do check the fine print “Seconds”...... But yes it is a very very nice plane.

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#2 posted 11-26-2012 03:14 PM

yup, see my post – “mfg. seconds”

I got a LV ‘seconds’ before, and unless someone pointed out the blemish, you wouldn’t know it. the savings are quite nice.

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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#3 posted 11-26-2012 04:28 PM

Thanks Sharon for the heads up. I purchased a dovetail saw I’ve been thinking about buying and just hadn’t moved on. Sure wish I could have justified buying the large shoulder plane at $165 – love their medium shoulder plane.

-- "The only limits to our realization of tomorrow will be our doubts of today." - FDR

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#4 posted 11-26-2012 04:56 PM

I saw the ad this morning and placed my order immediately. I bought the finer dovetail saw, the block plane, and the jack plane. Their factory seconds are nearly indistinguishable from the regular production line (I bought a few during last year’s sale).

-- Allen, Colorado (Instagram @bobasaurus_woodworking)

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#5 posted 11-26-2012 05:02 PM

yup. I’m a bit more concervative. I got the medium shoulder plane last time around and actually worked real hard to find the ‘blemish’ until I gave up and assumed some small discoloration was “it” – worked flawlessly as all their high end stuff does. this time I got the jack plane which I have been considering for a long time. I guess it’s time to retire my Stanley (not into collecting, and definitely not duplicates) after I test drive the veritas version.

I must say, I’m surprised that some products are still available. only the shoulder plane is sold out atm.

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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#6 posted 11-26-2012 05:08 PM

I wanted a set of skewed block planes for ever but the $400 price tag was way to hard to swallow. Merry xmas to me.

-- - Collecting is an investment in the past, and the future.

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#7 posted 11-26-2012 05:23 PM

i got the dovetail saw and jack plane, i also didn’t have to pay for shipping(i did store pick-up) :)

-- Joel

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#8 posted 11-26-2012 07:43 PM

Thanks for this…I Just ordered the 14 TPI Dovetail saw ($45 vs. regular price of $68…plus $10 shipping, of course).

I’ve been eyeing these saws for a while…it will be my first high-quality dovetail saw (or any saw that cost more than $20, for that matter). I’m looking forward to using it.

-- I'm strictly hand-tool only...unless the power tool is faster and easier!

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#9 posted 11-27-2012 06:37 AM

It was the blemishes that stopped me from ordering. I don know to what degree is the blemish. From your previous purchase, what kind of defects were there?

I have quite a few LV tools. My priced piece is the DX 60 but that has some dings on the top near the knob screw ….... But it has been japanned on that spot. It does not effect functionality at all BUT at cosmetic view it is not a perfect rounded edge. At least all the screws and sole are perfect. No dings at all.

I maybe over reacting but paying top dollar for tools is like expecting the perfect body…...... Plane body.

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#10 posted 11-27-2012 07:03 AM

The “scratch and dent sale” is a common marketing
ploy. The seller may invent defective items or intentionally
damage packaging in order to fulfill the flood of orders.

It allows steep discounting (which stimulates orders
like no other tactic) without undermining the
credibility of “regular price”. For a maker/seller shop
like Lee Valley, price credibility is a very important
thing they want to hang on to.

The upshot for buyers is that items sold as “scratch
and dent” may be in name only. In any case,
I doubt Lee Valley will refuse any return, ever.
They are a good co. to buy from: honest
in selling pitches and fair in their dealings.

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#11 posted 11-27-2012 07:59 AM

If I had the dough I would have snapped up that block plane in a second. I would guess Veritas’ “seconds” are better than many others firsts.

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#12 posted 11-27-2012 01:38 PM

Hi -

A quick comment about Seconds. Every production process involving complex assemblies (like planes) inevitably results in seconds. Usually – this is a small scratch on a finished (ground) surface – either from handling, or from a loose grain of sand during grinding. Other seconds may be a result of casting porosity, or pinhole voids – just the nature of cast iron… but something we “reject”.

The last thing we want to do is sell any tool with a functional problem – seconds are all functionally perfect.

You’ll note that the seconds on offer this year are different than the ones last year… it literally takes two to five years to accumulate enough seconds to sell. I’d be happy if we never made any…. :)

Cheers -


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#13 posted 11-27-2012 03:12 PM


Thanks for the info. It was casting porosity and pinhole voids are what I am particular with the plane body. Looking back at my DX 60, I would say it is none of the above but the edge of the top body is not a perfect edge but a little ding. Anyway it was japanned over which I am okay with.

Do keep up the good work with the handplanes! Looking forward to my next LV BU Jointer.

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#14 posted 11-27-2012 03:17 PM

I ordered a few things from Lee Valley yesterday, but none of the sale stuff lol. I’d hazard to say that a Lee Valley second would be higher quality than 95% of what’s on the market.


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#15 posted 11-27-2012 03:18 PM

Loren I have to strongly disagree. this is not a ploy (in general, and specifically LV in this case). every production line comes across products that simply cannot be put on the shelf to be sold as ‘firsts’ as when someone purchases a brand new product and notices a dent or a scratch on the finish – will return it – and rightfully so. these seconds are usually sold locally, or to employees (not sure about LV… am generally speaking about production here), or similar scenarios.

I am in big favor of seconds as I am more interested in the features and functionality of the products and less about that “perfect” finish – especially for tools I’d use constantly and will most likely get scratched from time to time anyway.

Actually – when speaking specifically about LV planes, I think most people that buy them (and I have to exclude myself from this list) actually WANT that perfect finish on them and are willing to pay the full price for those (which are better priced then competitors as far as I can tell so far).

Rob – Thank you for offering the official note and stopping by, and thank you for the fine products and excellent customer service throughout the years.

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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