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Forum topic by steve6678 posted 11-24-2012 01:51 AM 1123 views 0 times favorited 17 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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11-24-2012 01:51 AM

I guess I ask questions the wrong way.
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#1 posted 11-24-2012 01:54 AM

I don’t know… However I own 4 gross stabil clamps, that are 54” (i think) long… I got those for $104 and I would recommend them… The handles a little uncomfortable (its painted wood), but the pad covers are better than the besseys.

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#2 posted 11-24-2012 01:57 AM

Does Jorgensen even have a company website?

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#3 posted 11-24-2012 02:17 AM

I turn two-three hand screws and the rail is bowing A-LOT! It is not even tight as far as I am concerned.

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#4 posted 11-24-2012 03:12 AM

I think Lost faith in Bessey after a 2 clamp purchase

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#5 posted 11-24-2012 03:23 AM

You just need one of the pair to be off to be getting problems. I have both Bessey and Jorgensen, never had a problem with either. If the rail is bowing, something is off.

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#6 posted 11-24-2012 03:31 AM

I like Jet clamps better than Bessey even though all of the parallel clamps I own are Bessey ,the reason is Jet clamps have release triggers and Bessey’s don’t. Triggers make these clamps much easier to use.

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#7 posted 11-24-2012 03:40 AM

I have a couple of the old Bessey cabinet clamps and about 16 of the Jorgensen version. Both work fine but the Jorgensen clamps are much heavier and have a larger beam so they are stronger. However, I don’t have anything longer than 48” and I haven’t used any of the newer Bessey cabinet clamps.

It should be noted that cabinet clamps are not heavy duty bar clamps and aren’t designed to apply extreme pressure. They do a great job of clamping square under light to medium pressure. If tons of pressure are required, it would be better to get proper bar clamps instead.

One thing that annoys me regarding Bessey is that while they make some of the best clamps, they are also willing to put their brand on several shoddy products. I’ve seen and used some of their plastic spring clamps and they would break just from opening the jaw up all the way. That’s a surefire way to ruin the reputation of even their high end products.

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#8 posted 11-24-2012 02:45 PM

I have used the Bessey K clamps for years (including the longer 60”), I have about 70 of them and a few of the newer Revos as well.

Also have long Gross Stabil clamps (98”) as well and never experienced the issue you stated on your footboard in any of my glue-ups.

Did you place clamps “over and under” the lumber to compensate for the cant in the clamps?
I also often use the long edge of the clamping surface to distribute pressure if the material is not too thick.

Did you use cauls?

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#9 posted 11-24-2012 03:58 PM

I have K-bodies, Revos, Jorgys, and GS. The longest Jorgy and Revo I have is 48”, the K-bodies I have some 60”. They will all flex somewhat (even the shorter ones) across a long span. That doesn’t indicate a poor clamp. My glue ups haven’t been a lot easier with these clamps than they were with pipe clamps (ever notice how much a pipe flexes over that length?) That said, the Jorgies are heavier made than the Bessey’s, and they have smooth bars, making glue clean off a little easier. They also have longer screws, which I find useful. The Revos are a cross between the GS (which they bought some years back) and the K-bodies, they have the deeper jaws of the GS; better handles than any others; and those annoying black covers that keep sliding off the fixed head. I don’t think you can lose with any of them, and I also think your experience had some other problem behind it. I seriousy doubt it was the clamps.

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#10 posted 11-24-2012 04:18 PM

The Jet K body clamps are my all time favorite. The are very solid, strong and have a release lever that is very conveiient. I have lengths ranging from 12” to 96”. The 96” clamps are a bit long and I have only had need for them once but the 12” to 60” clamps are the most frequently used.
I also have Bessey, Gross Stabil and a few Jorgensen’s but they do not get pulled off the clamp rack like the Jet clamps do.

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#11 posted 11-24-2012 04:27 PM

maybe it was me..??
I had the clamps resting on the bench, facing UP.
The foot brd posts are 16”x3”x3”, only the 3” were sitting on the beam, across the span there was nothing on the beam, because the foot brd rail is in the middle of the 3” post.,,
so maybe it should have been stated that there was nothing keeping the beam down,,
essentially I was squeezing two 3” blocks together with a 1 1/4”x7 3/4”x52” bed rail inbetween.
I hope the deflection didn’t ruin the beams?

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#12 posted 11-24-2012 04:33 PM

maybe it was me..??

I think a couple of clamps facing down would have possibly counteracted the bending force you described and would have then closed the gaps.

You should be able to see a bend in the bars, or measure it on a flat surface.

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#13 posted 11-24-2012 04:45 PM

You need to alternate the clamps (1 up, 1 down, and so on) and the defection did not hurt the beams. I try to keep my beams away from the surfaces all the times just to avoid getting squeeze out on them.

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#14 posted 11-24-2012 11:27 PM

will do…thank u

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#15 posted 11-24-2012 11:33 PM

I am sorry Steve, but is there REALLY that much difference between the two to RANK them? I do not get what you are trying to say… I have the Jorgensens, so what? Am I inferior, or superior to the other?... I do not think so. Either are good clamps and NOTHING to be ashamed of. Period.

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