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Marcus

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11-17-2012 02:13 PM

I have about $1200 to spend and have the blessing from my wife to do a bit of shop upgrading. I’m torn between picking up the g0452 planer and g0715 table saw or spending all the funds on a G1023 Saw.

Here are my considerations:

My budget is my budget, and not much wiggle room.

I’ve been keeping an eye out for used for a couple months, nothing has tripped my trigger so I am pretty set on buying new.

I am not absolutely set on going with Grizzly, but from looking around they seem like they offer a lot of value for the money.

220V is not an issue currently in the garage. I hope within the next year that I will be able to move the shop down into the basement, where I do not have 220V

I currently have a Delta TS-360 saw which has suited me fine for about 10 yrs. For jointing, I use my freud fence on the router table. Its adequate for smaller pieces. I use a Dewalt 735 for a planer, so am good there.

Generally speaking, I make smallish furniture and generally buy S3S lumber to make my life easier based on the limitations of the equipment. I would love to start being able to buy rough lumber.

Anyone have any thoughts?


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#1 posted 11-17-2012 02:58 PM

That’s a tough call that only you can make. There’s no doubt that the G1023RL is in a different league than the G0715P. It’s simply a more robustly made saw with more power, and components that are beefier than those on the G0715P. It’ll likely last longer, and would be nicer to use, but I doubt it’ll make any difference in the cuts as they pertain to a project.

Adding a jointer to the mix adds a capability that the G1023RL alone can’t offer.

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#2 posted 11-17-2012 03:01 PM

My money would go on the 1023. Then start a savings jar for a nice jointer.

-- He who dies with the most tools... dies with the emptiest wallet.

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#3 posted 11-17-2012 03:36 PM

What do you plan to use the jointer for? If it is for edge jointing a board (before or after a cut with the table saw) then I would suggest the better Grizzly saw and a good blade.

If you want a jointer to remove bow, Trist, or cup then you need a jointer. Although, I recall seeing a video on YouTube about someone using a sled and a thickness planner to do that.

From your post I would go with the better table saw.

-- Jesse, Saint Louis, Missouri

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#4 posted 11-17-2012 04:52 PM

How bad is your table saw? Seriously. Does it not work well? Think about this for a second…
If what you REALLY need is a jointer, and if you build small furniture, then I suspect a jointer will make this endeavor VASTLY easier and more enjoyable. I just got my jointer (Grizzly G0654) and shortly afterward came upon a very lightly used Delta 14” bandsaw. I can not believe what a difference these 2 additions have made in terms of capability. I still have a lot to learn on the bandsaw, but I can see my table saw being relieved of SOME of its duties as I get a better feel for the bandsaw. So a consideration might be to get a jointer and a bandsaw.

If your goal is to replace the table saw then I would definitely go for the 1023 and NOT the 715. Cabinet mounted trunions vs table mounted trunions and just a better saw all around. But to make the decision of exactly what to buy you need to ask yourself, what does my current table saw NOT do that I expect my new one to be able to do? If this kind of budget money doesn’t come around often, think carefully about what capability you need to add to your shop and let form follow function.

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#5 posted 11-17-2012 05:09 PM

Agree with Charlie. about the jointer and band saw.

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#6 posted 11-18-2012 02:27 PM

Thanks for all the feedback, it’s great to hear differing opinions to help figure out which way I want to go. I’ll have to say, the decision is still clear as mud!

A bit more info based on a few of the comments.

I also have a bandsaw, and while useful, my table saw is definitely the home base of operations.

The jointer would be used to both straighten bowed wood and make clean edges for glue ups. I understand both of these are doable on a table saw and/or my router setup, but a jointer would sure make my life less complicated.

As for the current saw, there are a couple issues I’ve had with it. The major being that it falls of alignment way too easily. This saw has moved across country multiple times and beat up pretty well. When I say small furniture, I literally mean small furniture…kid sized versions of regular stuff. The table size of the tables I mentioned sure would be nice. I’ve had a few issues when cutting 5/4 hardwood with the motor bogging down. This is a rare occurrence since I generally stay under 4/4, but still an issue. Also, the fence has never really been a winner. I suppose I could buy a new fence, but it has always seemed like throwing good money into bad based on the above reasons.

I think either saw I mentioned would most likely resolve a good deal of my issues. I do think that the 1023 might be the last saw I purchase, but it has short term issues of 220v, relocating it within the year, and of course getting the the 1023 means no jointer. If I buy the 715, I might at some point want a larger saw like the 1023, but I would hope that will be a long time down the road after using the 715 and I could get a good 10 yrs use out of it as well.

I would love the larger surface area of the saws I mentioned

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#7 posted 11-18-2012 05:10 PM

The 1023 will stay aligned once you set it.
I’m not sure if the same can be said for the 715.

You can always run a 220 line to the basement when you’re ready for the shop move.
Waiting for black friday, there might be a sale on the 1023.

-- He who dies with the most tools... dies with the emptiest wallet.

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#8 posted 11-18-2012 05:30 PM

Buy a REAL JOINTER. You admit that your current TS is adequate, then nurse it along for a bit more. Put your hard earned money THAT way. The TS can wait, and besides it would rust from you drooling all over it! ;-)

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#9 posted 11-18-2012 05:33 PM

How long would you have to wait before you have the funds to buy a jointer? If its less than a year I would say buy the 1023 and then next year buy the jointer. If its going to be longer then buy the 0715P and a 0452 and have more capability. Honestly either saw is an upgrade from what you have and I have seen both in person. There is nothing cheap looking about either saw. Most reviews for the 0715P have been favorable and if well taken care of should have no problem lasting 10 years. Most woodworkers will tell you that an 8” jointer is a must, I think you will just fine with a 6” jointer a lot of very good woodworkers use 6” jointers. An added bonus is that a lot of hardwood dealers sell “shorts” which are often boards that are less than 6” wide and 6’ long at a considerable discount per BF, perfect for a woodworker with a 6” jointer.

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#10 posted 11-18-2012 06:01 PM

Hah, it’s funny that you mention the rust. Thats one of my main concerns buying the 1023. Like I mentioned, I sort of picture that being my last saw purchase for a LONG time. Unfortunately, it would have to sit in the unconditioned garage workshop for a year or so until the basement move can happen. And speaking of, running 220 down to there will be a royal pain in the you know what. I would probably even have an electrician come out to run it because its such a hassle.

I think the tentative plan (unless I get a wild hair in the next few days) is to wait for Friday (or do I wait for “cyber” Monday) and see if there is larger discount on the 1023. If so, I’ll probably go that route. Hopefully that will leave me enough wiggle room to buy a used benchtop jointer that I can use until its realistic to buy a larger model.

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HorizontalMike

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#11 posted 11-19-2012 01:29 PM

Used 6in jointers are all over CL, just do a search for your local area.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#12 posted 11-19-2012 01:57 PM

For some reason I seem to be in a woodworking wasteland when it comes to used tools. I check CL pretty often and just looked for jointers a few minutes ago. Someone just listed a Ridgid jointer, description says its as new. You look at the pictures though and the surface is covered in rust and he wants $400. so crazy.

I’m also pricing out wire to run 220 down to my basement. It’s definitely making the 715 look more attractive again.

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#13 posted 11-19-2012 07:30 PM

I know we all must live within our financial means, but when in doubt, I have learned to push the limits of my budget. When I haven’t, I always regret it. What’s the old saying, “If you buy the best, you only cry about it once.” I have cried about my so-called economical tools many, many times. For example, my table saw needs a better fence, miter gauge, dust collection system, is not quite sturdy enough, and a slightly larger table. The next one I buy will be, well, a very, very good piece of equipment.

-- I...I..have a...a...wood problem

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#14 posted 11-19-2012 07:45 PM

Wow. I was just going to post asking the same exact question. The 715p seems like it provides plenty of power for an avid hobbyist. However, the step up to the 1023 is extremely attractive, yet doesn’t really break my bank. I’m just wondering myself, if the precision is that much greater in the 1023 relative to the 715p to warrant a purchase. Unfortunately, Grizzly, in PA is about 4 hours from my home. So, taking a trip there to actually touch one of these fine machines may be an issue. I do have their polar bear 14” bandsaw and it works perfectly for me. So, I’m going to have to rely on that comparison for now. What to do.

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#15 posted 11-19-2012 08:24 PM

The guts of the 1023RL are much beefier. I don’t know if that’ll correlate to a difference in accuracy, but it can’t hurt, and should correlate to better longevity and everything working as it should. I believe the fence is a little beefier on the 1023 too.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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