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DIYaholic

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11-16-2012 11:10 PM

Topic tags/keywords: question bandsaw rikon 10-325 rikon 14 bandsaw

After having searched CL for a “deal” on a bandsaw for a while now, I have decided that I really want a warranty if I’m shelling out nearly $1000.00!!!

Since I am new to WW and BSs and my actual BS use is TBD, I’m thinking I NEED a saw that will give me resaw & curve cutting capabilities, for what I hope is many years to come. So my infinitesimal mind has settled upon the Rikon 10-325, 14” BS with 13” of resaw capacity, equipt with a 1-1/2HP motor. This saw is currently (until 11/21/12) on sale at Woodcraft for $799.00 also comes with a $100.00 WOODCRAFT gift card. Please don’t say “for a few more $$$”, as this saw, with neccessary additions, is pushing my budget over the “Fiscal Cliff”! Lol.

Knowing that most, if not all, LumberJocks are more edumacated in regards to “real” bandsaws, my little mind needs assistance with a few questions:

1) Will the “stock” fence suffice or is that a neccessary immediate “upgrade” item???

2) Will the “stock” bearing guides suffice or is that a neccessary immediate “upgrade” item???

3) The saw comes with a “stock” 5/8” X 6 TPI blade (saw handles 1/8” to 3/4” blades). What blades can you recommend for:
a) curve cutting
b) resawing
c) rip cutting
D) What am I missing????

4) What other things have I overlooked???

Thank you, in advance, for your sage advice, time and effort.

-- Randy-- I may not be good...but I am slow! If good things come to those who wait.... Why is procrastination a bad thing?


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RussellAP

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#1 posted 11-16-2012 11:16 PM

I just got a 1/4” blade from Timberwolf to make tighter curves. The 5/8 blade is a resaw blade. Check out timberwolf online for your blades. Curve is a 6 tpi 1/4”. Any will rip regular wood, like 2×4s. You might want to look at a light unless your saw has one. I put on on the upper door and it focuses on the blade. Very nice thing to have.

-- A positive attitude will take you much further than positive thinking ever will.

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HorizontalMike

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#2 posted 11-16-2012 11:38 PM

1. Yes
2. Yes
3,a 1/4in
3b. 3/4in TW
3c. Huh? See 3c.

Lately folks on LJs have been dissing TimberWolf blades. This appears to be a recent trend. I have not had any serious problems with TimberWolf blades. I run a 3/4in 3TPI on my 14in #10-325. All the armchair WW’rs may differ, so you may end up needing to try your own choices. Stock tends to be less than optimum though truly not that bad. Carry a big salt shaker because there are many armchair quarterbacks on LJs, just saying. Your mileage may vary…

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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DIYaholic

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#3 posted 11-17-2012 12:52 AM

Russell,
Thanks for the input.

HM,
When you say “Yes” to my questions about the fence and guides, do you mean they are satisfactory or that they need to be upgraded?

-- Randy-- I may not be good...but I am slow! If good things come to those who wait.... Why is procrastination a bad thing?

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eddie

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#4 posted 11-17-2012 12:57 AM

wish i could help RANDY,BUT IM READING ALONG AS ONEDAY I HOPE TO UP GRADE MY SELF

-- Jesus Is Alright with me

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HorizontalMike

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#5 posted 11-17-2012 01:00 AM

I have NOT had an issue with either the fence or the bearings. I have resawn as much as 9in with only the stock fence. Would attaching a higher fence be an advantage, sure but it has not been a problem thus far. The fence locks down square and vertical, and yes I have checked this regularly nearly every time I have used it.

FWIW, Once I decided to use a 3/4in blade for resawing, I have NOT used the round “resaw” post. I use the straight fence without issue. And this has given me better results. The post was always a challenge and variable.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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MJCD

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#6 posted 11-17-2012 01:03 AM

I find is that re-saw is over-rated regarding a ‘must-have’ – there are grand-plans to cut veneer, to cut limbs from downed trees, to do many things which resaw speaks to. However, most BS work is cutting either tight or sweeping curves, or stopped-cuts which only a jigaw could do, and do badly. This is not to suggest that resaw is inconsequential an application; just that there are individuals who do a LOT of it, because they do veneer work; or they live near Parks or Forests, and have a real opportunity to cut logs to rough dimensions.

The 14” BS range is a sweet-spot for most manufacturers; however, the guides typically need upgrading – thank our lucky stars that Carter has this nailed; and the fences are not that useful (everyone seems to have manufactured their own alternative).

Regarding blades, I’m not sure that most 14” BS can properly tension a 5/8” blade – and stay with quality BS manufacturers – Timberwolf is highly regarded (HM’s observations are point-on – there’s a lot to be said for these blades, and their support is reputed to be excellent); Starrett & Lenox will set you back some money, but they use top-quality metals, the welds are invisible (smoother tracking, more consistent results), and they have well-earned reputations are risk.

My own recommendations are to buy a high-quality 1/4” blade for curves; and a 1/2” for general work. At your price-point, you’re close to the Delta and perhaps the Powermatic – these set the standard for the 14” range.
A final point is to query YouTube for BS tune-up; these are complicated machines to fine-tune.

Good Luck
MJCD

-- Lead By Example; Make a Difference

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patron

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#7 posted 11-17-2012 01:06 AM

i’ve only used on once
a few finicky things
but nothing to stop from buying
especially at that price

use it for a bit first
and see how you like it
then see if blowing more for extras
is really necessary

a good blade is a definite

but it has a good fence
and a light too

you can send me the gift coupon
for this free advice lol

-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

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HorizontalMike

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#8 posted 11-17-2012 01:19 AM

I have nearly resawn 200BF of lumber thus far. And at a savings between $2-$3BF, I have basically paid for my 14in BS already. Personally, I do not consider resawing to be an over-rated activity. I made the decision to resaw in order to save $$$ and it is paying off for me. I know that others can argue, and argue successfully that buying dimensional lumber is a better route to go. That has not been my choice to pursue. And by resawing, I am in control of the final product, NOT the big box store.

I have averaged $2 -2.50BF for 8/4 Ash and 12/4 Soft Maple and I am a happy camper. I choose not to use the more expensive woods. I really love my 14in Rikon BS and have no real complaints, other than I wish I had an 18in version as well, or in place of. You know how it is… ;-)

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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MJCD

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#9 posted 11-17-2012 01:38 AM

I may be getting into the resaw mode – I recently purchased the Hammer 17” BS, with 10” resaw; and have a park nearby that allows locals to clear storm-downed trees. I’m hoping to save the $$/bft that others have done so successfully. I’m tired of paying outrageous prices for Cherry & Walnut.

-- Lead By Example; Make a Difference

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HorizontalMike

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#10 posted 11-17-2012 01:49 AM

Maybe it is just me, but I personally do not feel like waiting the 2-5 years to sticker my own roughcut lumber waiting on a final product. I will go ahead and buy the dried 8/4 and 12/4 boards. THAT is my compromise. If I were in my 40s then I am sure that I would probably pursue the entire logging experience, but at 60 I am a bit gun shy in trusting that I have that much time left in the game. I still save some $$$, just maybe not as much as acquiring free trees/lumber, but at least I am saving some.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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DIYaholic

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#11 posted 11-17-2012 01:58 AM

Thanks Guys,

Eddie,
I’m sorry there isn’t a “bouncing ball” to help you follow along.

HM,
That’s the type of info I am looking for, insights from experienced users. Thanks!

MJCD,
Since I live in “The Green Moutain State” of Vermont, access to “downed trees” is a regular occurrence. As I already have a jointer and planer, a BS will allow me to “mill” my own rough lumber and see the savings that HM speaks of and who can argue with cost savings!!!

David,
Quality blades are a “given”. I also know that Carter sets the bar, but waiting to judge “stock” performance is wise. It don’t hurt that HM speaks well of the guides (and fence)!!!

The last thing I need to do is change my mind at the last minute. I’m looking at placing my order tomorrow. I will be ordering from the store directly (ie; not online) and traveling 3.5 hours to pick up the saw (next week). SORRY DAVID, if only I didn’t NEED more clamps, I’d give the card to you, but I’ll be spending that gift card on “stuff”, when I pick up my saw. Now to go look at mobile bases….....

Thanks everyone.

-- Randy-- I may not be good...but I am slow! If good things come to those who wait.... Why is procrastination a bad thing?

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Moron

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#12 posted 11-17-2012 06:44 AM

if I was selling this bandsaw and u were the buyer

i would escort you to your car

and you would leave

-- "Good artists borrow, great artists steal”…..Picasso

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MJCD

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#13 posted 11-17-2012 02:45 PM

With a smile——if we agreed on everything, then there wouldn’t be a value to the Forum. I welcome individuals who disagree with me with a good reason to do so – typically, they have much more experience than I do.

MJCD

-- Lead By Example; Make a Difference

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LeChuck

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#14 posted 11-17-2012 03:57 PM

I have the same bandsaw and while I haven’t used it a lot yet, once properly setup, the guides seem just fine, and I didn’t see a problem tensioning the stock 5/8 blade by simply using the gauge on the saw itself.

I like the stock fence, not planning on using the “resaw bar” as I think a saw should be able to cut straight using a regular fence. My previous bandsaws did and I had no trouble resawing straight, one was a 12” Craftsman, and the other a 16” clone of a Laguna LTE3000 saw.

I did have an issue with the fence support bar having a pretty serious bow, which meant the fence would never stay parallel to the miter or blade when locking, depending on the distance. Support was good and they sent me a new mounting bar (contacted them by email), which is not perfectly straight but much better.

One difficulty if you do plan to install an aftermarket fence, the blade comes out through the front of the table, and the stock fence support bar stops short of the slot, to allow for the blade to come out. To my knowledge, aftermarket fences do not account for that.

The table had to be made perpendicular to the back of the blade. The set screws for that are a bit tricky to reach, and not at all where the manual says they are, but on the opposite side. Although, if you do it calmly, it’s actually pretty easy and quick to do, the biggest difficulty being to be able to find the set screws holes with the allen key.

There is a steel connection bar that closes the blade channel at the front of the table. On my saw, this has to be tightened very well to make sure both sides of the table are flat and inline with each other.

Hope this helps and gives a few useful tips.

-- David - Tucson, AZ

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DIYaholic

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#15 posted 11-17-2012 05:00 PM

Moron,
Wood I leave with or without the saw???

MJCD,
Like you, I say this with a smile:)!!!
Opinions are like A-holes, everybody has one!!!

I asked for input because I don NOT know everything. Different people have different experiences and those experiences shape our opinions. Like I said, my actual use of the saw is yet to be determined, but I have a pretty good idea what I want it for. As I progress along my WW hobby, needs and wants will certainly mature. Thank you for your time and thoughts on what to me is a major purchase.

LeChuck,
Thank you for the insights and tips, they are sure to be put to good use. The heads up on the fence support bar is greatly appreciated, as is all the other information. Thank you for taking the time to post, as not only do I benefit, but others are sure to be helped also!!! That IS what makes LJs the great site, err community that it is!!!

-- Randy-- I may not be good...but I am slow! If good things come to those who wait.... Why is procrastination a bad thing?

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