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11-09-2012 05:28 PM

Topic tags/keywords: grizzly jointer table saw tools bandsaw

Copy and paste or follow this link to an ad i found on craigslist today. Apparently, this guy isnt quite happy with his Grizzly stuff. Ive owned some of thier tools and what this guy is saying may be somewhat true. However, I wouldnt go order new tools thinking these are gonna sell any time soon….enjoy

http://richmond.craigslist.org/tls/3334188707.html

-- I'm him


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#1 posted 11-09-2012 05:32 PM

OUCH!!!!! Not a good advertiser…and I have 2 of the tools he has listed and I would not consider selling either of them. Maybe it was incompetence on his part in setting them up??? I’m just saying…..they can’t be that bad. WOW!!!

-- John -- Racine, WI -- Woodworking..."It's not just a Hobby, it's an Adventure"

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#2 posted 11-09-2012 05:55 PM

If they are “junk”, why does he want so much for it? What a joke…

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#3 posted 11-09-2012 05:56 PM

Someone with more money than brains or skill…

Rich;)

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#4 posted 11-09-2012 06:00 PM

Occasionally, I see posts and reviews about Grizzly that are quite similiar to that Craigslist ad. And they DO worry me. But time goes on and I hear lots of positive reviews, especially here at LJ. Often praising Grizzly customer service.

Then one of these highly critical statements arises, and I worry that I’d be a fool to buy from Grizzly. I’m thinking that the praisers are mostly glad they got a cheap price and have rationalized any problems they had to self-justify buying on the cheap.

I don’t buy often (‘cause I got no money), but I have needs and WILL be buying sooner or later. Still need a good long bed jointer and been considering an 18” bandsaw. Is it foolish to consider Grizzly?

As John implies, I would be considered “incompetent”. Never set up a jointer OR a bandsaw. I can read and I can learn, but I don’t KNOW. If a Grizzly purchase requires me to already be competent on the machine, I guess I don’t qualify as a Grizzly customer?

-- Jim Maher, Illinois

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#5 posted 11-09-2012 06:09 PM

“Junk” ?...........I don’t own any Grizzly tools, but I’ve read enough reviews on LJ’s to know better. “junk” or scrape metal in our area goes for about 10cents/lb. If he’s that unhappy with the lot, I wonder if he would take $200 for everything. That’s going price for scrape or junk metal.
I agree with Mike; if it’s junk why does he want so much. lol

-- John @ http://www.thehuffordfurnituregroup.com

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#6 posted 11-09-2012 06:12 PM

If anyone wants a collection of grizzly tools cheap, wait a month and contact the seller after his rant nets him no takers.

-- There is little that is simple when it comes to making a simple box.

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#7 posted 11-09-2012 06:12 PM

If your in his area contact him and say he did a great sales job on how bad this equipment is,so you can only offer him
$1000. :))

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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#8 posted 11-09-2012 06:47 PM

The more I think about this, I wonder…. Is/was this seller’s rant on purpose to:

  • Make buyer “feel” like they are getting a great/cool deal of a bargain and thus stop any haggling?
  • Allow the seller deniability for anything and everything he may have screwed up during his ownership?
  • Justify why he is selling it (if he really did mess things up)?

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#9 posted 11-09-2012 07:04 PM

Jim, (jdmaher)

I am not the sharpest crayon in the box and I was able to get them up and running without any trouble. The instructions that come with the tools are very good. I did not mean for it to sound like it was hard to set their tools up to get them running right. (it is not) And NO, you would not be a fool to buy grizzly products. And I do not think they are CHEAP! They are well made, they perform flawlessly, and they are very affordable, and there is a huge difference in that and CHEAP tools.

Sorry for not being clearer,
John

-- John -- Racine, WI -- Woodworking..."It's not just a Hobby, it's an Adventure"

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#10 posted 11-09-2012 07:21 PM

John,

Thanks for the reassurance. I very much DO lack self-confidence about setting machines up, but I wonder if its really me?

For example, my first Delta contractor’s saw was never exactly precise, though I added several after-market fixes (e.g., link belt, TS-Aligner, blade dampeners, etc.). Pretty good, but never perfect. The I got a Unisaw and very closely followed the setup instructions. First cut, and every cut since, have been so good that I think they are perfect. Similiar thing with planers. Got a craigslist Penn State for $25, cleaned it up, got new blades and tuned it as best I could. Snipe, snipe, nothing but snipe. A buddy bought a Dewalt 735 and I helped him upack it and set it up. First board, perfect. One of my sniped boards, perfect. Gnarly old barnwood, perfect. (BTW, that’s my next purchase – hopefully for Christmas.)

My conclusion is that build quality DOES matter. But I won’t ever be able to afford top-of-the-line EVERYTHING. I’m hoping Grizzly can do the job sufficiently, but I do worry that my machinist skills are insufficient to overcome all but the simplest adjustments.

Thanks again.

-- Jim Maher, Illinois

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#11 posted 11-09-2012 07:39 PM

Whoa! The very definition of disgruntled.

I’d say that guy is just venting, probably upset about customer service. He’d want to be careful branding all those products junk. This could well turn around and bite him in the ass.

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#12 posted 11-09-2012 08:01 PM

He’s an unhappy camper for sure. I did buy a Grizzly14” bandsaw in the mid 80’s when Grizzly first emerged and I did not like it, as it was too fussy to adjust the blade guide and I got rid of it pretty quick and bought a Delta which I was much happier with and still have. I have not been brave enough to buy another Grizzly tool ever since, but perhaps they are better now. Lots of people like them.

-- Bondo Gaposis

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#13 posted 11-09-2012 08:07 PM

I think it already has. The ad is a month old and still out there. So his garage is now filled with “junk” and his new top of the line stuff. I would definitely check everything over and offer him a much reduced price. I am willing to bet he had this collection a little longer than a short while.

And I would agree with Mike that ulterior motives are behind is rant.

In his words, he has already explained the lack of boxing for “new” items, the potential for poor performance, the absence of hardware, etc. To me, this guy may be trying to pay for his new stuff by selling his old stuff like it is new. I have known Grizzly to send folks a whole replacement machine without much sweat and this guy claims they are himming and hawwing over a few cotter pins and bolts?

-- There is little that is simple when it comes to making a simple box.

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#14 posted 11-09-2012 08:24 PM

I made him an offer. Waiting to hear back.

-- Mark

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#15 posted 11-09-2012 08:28 PM

Ouch!

I know someone who owns that bandsaw, and he really likes it.

There may be widely ranging QC on Grizzly’s part, end user inexperience, or some of both, involved here.

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