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10-17-2012 12:26 AM

Topic tags/keywords: hand tool number 5 5 bench plane plane hand plane stanley comparison

I was thinking of doing a research project on comparing different manufactures of planes. Everyone knows about Stanley, Miller Falls, Sargent, Lie Nielsen and Veritas, but what other manufactures were out there? I am not interested in doing any work on any brand that was produced by one of the major makers. An example would be Dunlap or Craftsman. This project would be limited to metal # 5 bench planes that are around 14 inches long and a 2 inch wide blade.


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#1 posted 10-17-2012 12:35 AM

Wood River, Record, Ohio Tools, Union, Anants, Kunz, Groz, Keen Mutter off the top of my head.

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#2 posted 10-17-2012 01:40 AM

Miller Falls

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#3 posted 10-17-2012 01:41 AM

Some I found around the net just now are
Clifton
Footprint
ShopFox
Crl
Quangsheng

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#4 posted 10-17-2012 01:53 AM

I’ll hold my nose and say Buck Brothers.

Though I turned a crappy BB Home Depot special #5 into a pretty great scrub plane.

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#5 posted 10-17-2012 01:55 AM

Preston is another. Going to be lots of types/brands out there.

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#6 posted 10-17-2012 02:54 AM

Keen Kutter, Winchester, Defiance

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#7 posted 10-17-2012 03:21 AM

As for vintage brands, the main ones that come to mind to me, that you have not already listed are Record, Preston, Winchester, Ohio and I’m sure there are others. However, much of the work that you are interested in doing, has already been done. There is a website dedicated to Millers Falls (www.oldtoolheaven.com), Stanley (http://www.supertool.com/StanleyBG/stan1.htm) and I know there are also sites dedicated to Sargent, North Brothers, Disston, but can’t put my hands on those links right away. Also, I suggest checking out the Old Tools List and archives at http://swingleydev.com/archive/faq.html. Not to suggest that you do not do the research, but I’m afraid you will find that much of the work is already done. One more website that may be of interest for you is http://www.wkfinetools.com/index.asp. There is a great deal of information to be found on that website.

Doc

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#8 posted 10-17-2012 03:22 AM

I think you are confused. I am not talking about what size and how much it weights and stuff like that. I am talking ACTUAL performance using laboratory tools to measure the result. I am talking about measuring the hardness of the blade and its density. Examining the resulting chips and the wood for roughness using a surface roughness gauge. And other factors that should be examined.

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#9 posted 10-17-2012 05:01 AM

How do you intend to establish a base-line for all these planes so you can have any meaningful result? Comparing a brand new Lie-Nelson jack plane with an untuned, unsharpened flea market Stanley or Sargent plane hardly seems fair. If you intend to tune them, to what extent?

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#10 posted 10-17-2012 05:09 AM

Well it depends on the final scope of my project. I think at first I will limit the study to brand new planes. If I have time and the money I would expand the scope to include used planes. If i do that I would have to establish a restore process and make sure all planes are “tuned” to the same standard. I do not intend to “tune” any of the new planes other than hone the blade.

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#11 posted 10-17-2012 05:18 AM

The whole point of this project is to figure out who makes the best tool and who makes great tools for the every day woodworker. I want to put to rest the question of who makes the best and to see if it is really worth 300 bucks for just one tool or if the 60$ special will work just as well.

shampeon- If I did to any tuning I would follow the Rob Cosman – The Great Hand Plane Revival dvd that I have to make a comparison.

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#12 posted 10-17-2012 05:36 AM

I think the issue you’ll find with comparing only new planes is that it ignores a significant option in used, vintage planes. It’s pretty clear that a new Stanley or Anant plane won’t be anywhere near the level of a Lie-Nelson or Veritas plane out of the box. But that’s a false market, since practically nobody is considering only new planes. It’s typically a choice between relatively inexpensive vintage used planes (that probably need some tuning) and new premium-priced brands (that require very little work).

-- ian | "You can't stop what's coming. It ain't all waiting on you. That's vanity."

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#13 posted 10-17-2012 05:41 AM

I totally agree, but I am only one man. With a full time job. I really don’t want to do more than around 10 different planes. I think we can all agree that I can safely ignore the “bottom of the barrel” planes. The Footprint, ShopFox, Groz, Buck Brothers and the no name.

The problem with doing used planes is there is such a HUGE variety. Where should I draw the line?

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#14 posted 10-17-2012 06:00 AM

Vintage, tuned Stanley Bailey, Stanley Bedrock, and Record jack planes would be pretty representative of the used market, I would think. You should probably add Wood River on the new plane list, as they’re sold in Woodcraft stores nationwide and occupy the mid-priced tier of the market, below LN and Veritas but above the cheap ones you mentioned.

It’s an interesting experiment, for sure.

-- ian | "You can't stop what's coming. It ain't all waiting on you. That's vanity."

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#15 posted 10-17-2012 06:03 AM

I would really like to add veritas to the line up but they do not have an offering that is in that size range. And before you ask, Yes I am stuck on the #5 size. It’s the most ubiquitous size and that makes finding them easy and cheap. Also the longer bed would give an indication on how accurate the machining is at least for the new planes.

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