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09-22-2012 02:21 AM

I am bidding a new construction job that will contain cabinets throughout the entire home. This job will also feature an outdoor kitchen that will actually be fairly small and simple.

BUT, I have never built any outdoor cabinetry. What is the preferred plywood? Our cabinets we utilize a good quality 2 sided UV coated plywood. Water does not penetrate that finish but I am not sure about using it outside. The plywood will be completely covered with face frames, drawer faces, doors, finished end panels, etc…

What about keeping doors and drawers closed tight to keep elements out such as rain and bugs. I know out here scorpians are terrible and can cause a great amount of pain when stung. They are fairly flat and can find their way inside some of the tightest areas. So I am considering some sort of latch and maybe some sort of foam or weather stripping. Is there some sort of industry standard that folks utilize with this.

I know there is a wood that is similar to Teak but less expensive. I cannot remember what it is called. Any other ideas about what type of wood to use such as maybe Spanish Cedar, western Cedar, any others…

Thanks for any information that can be given. Jerry

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#1 posted 09-22-2012 03:20 AM

Jerry I have done several of those jobs with the onset of outdoor living popularity in this region. I have used white oak and A-2 ply with success. At least I have not had any call backs on them ! All the jobs I did were under roof with mimimal uv exposure. I did finish with spar-varnish however. This is where I would not even dream of using a water born material.(which I dont on anything) Good luck with it ! JB

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#2 posted 09-22-2012 01:34 PM

Thanks JB, using oak sounds like a great idea. Thanks.

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#3 posted 09-22-2012 07:59 PM

I would not use any wood for an outdoor cabinet, even if under cover. Stainless steel is the way to go. Check a place like Jamestown Metal. They supply furniture for the marine industry.

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#4 posted 09-22-2012 10:49 PM

If its under cover completely, roof over it, walls on 2 sides then wood might be an option, like cedar, jatoba, epi (spelling), hemlock and more

but I am inclined to agree with MrRon and use stainless. Cry once, never cry again

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#5 posted 09-23-2012 12:27 AM

Thanks guys. Stainless steel would certainly be nice but would get costly. But that is the customers deal. Oak would be much less expensive.

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#6 posted 09-23-2012 12:31 AM

If I ever do an outdoor kitchen for myself stainless steel will be a nice option since I could build it myself. That would be a fun and neat kitchen.

Oh and I like the saying ‘cry once and never cry again’.

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#7 posted 09-23-2012 12:32 AM

Go raid a commercial kitchen for all the stainless steel cabinets/tables. Maybe find one being auctioned off.

Almost had it Moron. It’s Ipe

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#8 posted 09-23-2012 12:50 AM

Nice idea. I have been going to auctions lately and find auctions to be happening daily. But to find cabinets that fit the dimensions I am working with might be a stretch.

I have a current commercial bid pending that specified cabinet grade plywood with stainless steel laminate. So after doing that bid I know a sheet of stainless steel laminate will cost 140 +/-.

Another thing is the customer in this case has revealed his cards and I want the job and hope to be able to work inside his budget. I might need to tell the customer “cry once, never cry again”. :)

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#9 posted 09-23-2012 12:56 AM

Cant’ stretch the dimensions to fit the cabinets? LOL Or disassemble the cabinets for parts and rebuild. Would be a lot more work though so maybe not more savings just redeligated.

Isn’t there a marine grade plywood?

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#10 posted 09-23-2012 01:36 AM

Marine grade plywood is a good idea. I am sure a little thinking outside the box might be applicable here.

I will say outdoor kitchens are gaining popularity quick.

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#11 posted 09-23-2012 01:43 AM

at the end of the day, you do what you must, within the budget presented to you

if you advise the client to the benefits and perils of their choices

thats all you can do

“success is the ability to go from one failure to the next with no loss of enthusiasm” Churchill

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#12 posted 09-23-2012 01:50 AM

There isn’t a tree grown on this planet, re-sawn and fabricated into objects, that can be put outside, subject to the forces that nature throws at us

that doesn’t require maintenance unless you like the colour grey

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#13 posted 09-23-2012 02:03 AM

even then, its just a slower march to a grave.

I have declined many an outdoor kitchen cabinetry project for fear it might fall apart before I die whilst the wolves who surround me jumped on the project only to experience utter humility.

Jus sayn that I know it can be done but few can sign the cheque ……..

battles are lost but wars are won for a reason

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#14 posted 09-23-2012 02:11 AM

Well there is only 20’ of outdoor cabinets which would only be 3 sheets of stainless steel and about 500.00 extra. I have good exp with laminate work and could make all visible areas stainless steel fairly simple. Around here I have seen some cabinet makers build the cabinets and use a morter stucco on the exteriors. Not sure how that works.

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#15 posted 09-23-2012 01:54 PM

Most of them around here are stone or tile work. Usually galv. metal stud framing with cement board or dens-glass and then stucco, tile, or stone facing. Any actual cabinets are inset into that but are still stainless steel and come with the stainless steel grill.

-- In the end, when your life flashes before your eyes, will you like what you see?

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