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09-21-2012 04:37 PM

Hello.
I’ve lurked for a while, and I finally need to post to help with a finishing question.

I am big into saltwater aquariums, and I am now building my own cabinets.

The stand is all red oak. The canopy that covers the top and light is oak as well.

I have planned on using minwax because its local.
I have access to Danish oils too (I think that’s right)

I have some armor seal for top coat.

The canopy will be introduced to humidity but shouldn’t be directly in contact with water.

Should I use the armor seal or use helmens minwax product?

Also, would you prefer the mixed oil over minwax stain?
Thanks.
And reasons why you suggest would be helpful

-- David Henley


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#1 posted 09-21-2012 04:41 PM

Or you can suggest any top coat you think would be better…

Thanks

-- David Henley

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#2 posted 09-21-2012 05:27 PM

Arm-R-Seal will work just fine and dandy. The Helmsman Spar would just provide UV protection, which isn’t a big deal for inside use.

I always prefer an oil (mixed or otherwise) to a stain. However, if you need to alter the color, staining is no big deal on oak.

However, I believe the Arm-R-Seal is an oil/varnish blend, so you might just put it directly on the wood if it gives the result you need.

-- jay, www.allaboutastro.com

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#3 posted 09-21-2012 05:35 PM

The high humidity shouldn’t effect the Arm-R-Seal?
And I’ll make a few samples to get an idea of how things look with the different variables.

-- David Henley

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#4 posted 09-21-2012 06:07 PM

Arm-R-Seal would be like Polyurethane in that regard. It has water protection…and Arm-R-Seal is one of the better ones for that due, I believe, to the addition of the oil. However, no traditional finish is truly waterproof over time. If you are worried about it, I’d go with a marine varnish. Just because it says “spar” doesn’t mean it’s a true marine varnish…and trust me…I’ve used enough of that Minwax Helmsman to know that it breaks down over time, especially if the product is old.

Something like McCloskeys and Old Masters are probably better choices for true spar varnish…or your local marine/boat dealer will have something suitable.

Regardless, make sure you cover the whole canopy. My freshwater tanks evaporate and splash out like crazy (hard water stains/mineral deposits are my issues), but I don’t use wooden canopies so I can’t really help you with issues such as your finish’s longevity.

-- jay, www.allaboutastro.com

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#5 posted 09-21-2012 10:10 PM

i know nothing would be permeant….

would the Arm-R-Seal last a few years (2) before needing a quick sand and re-finish?

(im in the texas pan-handle and there is no real water around so no luck on boat dealers.. haha)

-- David Henley

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#6 posted 09-21-2012 10:41 PM

Panhandle, huh? I’m in DFW and do my astronomy around Crowell, TX…so we share some do the same territory.

I’m guessing you could get that kind of mileage out of the Arm-R-Seal…but nothing would be a “quick” sanding. Redoing a film finish isn’t a fun job.

Tough call though. I’d probably find some real marine varnish online. Or, you might try omitting the film finish entirely and just going with something like teak oil, reworking it on occasion. I know some canopies are finished that way, but to what level of success I’d be guessing.

I will say that you could do something with the design that might help, such as lining the interior with some thin white melamine, caulked with some silicone. That’d help serve as a moisture barrier inside as well as increasing reflectivity.

Then, you could replace that as needed.

-- jay, www.allaboutastro.com

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#7 posted 09-22-2012 12:26 AM

@ Cosmicsniper.....do my astronomy around Crowell, Texas…... I was born and raised in Quanah, Texas…..bet you know where that’s at, huh…?

-- " I started with nothing, and I've still got most of it left".......

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#8 posted 09-22-2012 01:18 AM

Wow, Rick, sure do! I like getting buffalo steaks at the old railroad station and have eaten my fair share of breakfasts at Dutchs. Funny how it’s usually about food! LOL!

I’ve been hanging around that area for a decade now…starting with trips to Copperbreaks State Park. Now I do astronomy with 3RF.

-- jay, www.allaboutastro.com

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#9 posted 09-22-2012 05:47 AM

Wow…..I can’t believe Dutch’s Cafe is still going….I worked at Dutch’s bussing tables when I was younger, and my mom was a waitress there for years…..I haven’t been back to Quanah since 1983 when my grandma died…..Do you know where Trash Hill and Tuffy’s are across the bridge into Oklahoma…..? The last Dennington reunion was out at Copperbreaks Stae Park…..I use to hang around Chillicothe and Vernon when I got my first car…..Quanah was practically made up of my kinfolks…...Denningtons and McNutts….there might have been 2,000 people lived there then…..I use to go rattlesnake hunting at the old gravel pits, and catfishing out on the Pease River at Tolberts Crossing…small world, huh?

-- " I started with nothing, and I've still got most of it left".......

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#10 posted 09-23-2012 02:48 PM

Trivia

A lot of salt water fish for aquariums are bought from tropical areas, and some of their methods of catching them is quite disturbing.

They crush cyanide tablets into water, fill syringes up with the cyanide, dive down into the reef and inject the solution into the living coral. The pretty little fish exit the coral and are caught but the coral dies and most often, a year down the line, the fish dies too.

Perhaps now the fish are bred in captivity ?

-- "Good artists borrow, great artists steal”…..Picasso

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#11 posted 09-24-2012 04:45 AM

MORON:
I actually breed saltwater fish and aquaculture corals at my house. (less harm on the ocean and more hearty animals that are used to captive conditions)

Cyanide was a big thing in the past, but many importers will not purchase fish using this method because of the high death rate. (it makes them look bad for selling them)

A lot of importers make frequent trips overseas to see the process and teach the people how they want things caught, packaged and shipped.

-- David Henley

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#12 posted 09-24-2012 12:20 PM

Good to know

-- "Good artists borrow, great artists steal”…..Picasso

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#13 posted 09-24-2012 10:14 PM

I know pictures help bring people in and get them talking.
So here are some pictures of what im building.

Here is what i wanted to build

and here is what i have so far.

and another angle with the garage door open

-- David Henley

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#14 posted 09-24-2012 10:22 PM

another finishing question.

i stained up a few test panels, and i used minwax (because i had it on hand) (ill be trying other finishes in the future to see how i like it)

i found the color i liked. the only place i am worried about with moisture is within the stand/canopy. not so much the outside.

i was looking at watco wax. it looks decent.
could i apply it over the stain (which it says it can) but would it help with the moisture resistance? and that way i can apply a new coat every year. which would be easier to do then re-finishing every few years?

thanks!
(if wax is a good idea, and there is another brand that is recommended then shoot me an option!)

-- David Henley

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#15 posted 09-24-2012 10:31 PM

here is my current 8’ long tank… (doesnt look like 8’ x 2’ x 2’ but its there….. 240 gal worth)

-- David Henley

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